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Separate the four empires with low security space.

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Isu Okaski
The Break Room
#221 - 2012-12-13 20:00:50 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:
Right now If they condensed hisec into 2-3 systems that had all the asteroid belts, industry slots, and agents I think the only thing that would change are travel times.

And lag, don't forget lag!
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#222 - 2012-12-13 20:02:09 UTC
Isu Okaski wrote:
Commander Ted wrote:
Right now If they condensed hisec into 2-3 systems that had all the asteroid belts, industry slots, and agents I think the only thing that would change are travel times.

And lag, don't forget lag!

from a gameplay perspective I mean.

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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#223 - 2012-12-23 08:06:29 UTC
Perhaps if these regions were added the space between the currently existing areas would be expanded?

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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#224 - 2013-01-01 01:08:46 UTC
Be such an easy thing to implement, do this please? It would be awesome!

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VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#225 - 2013-01-01 14:48:20 UTC  |  Edited by: VegasMirage
Commander Ted wrote:
Be such an easy thing to implement, do this please? It would be awesome!


will never happen, go use your time more constructively like learning how ASB's work and when not to engage a bc fleet at zero in a Talos

no more games... it's real this time!!!

Ferdinand Camine
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#226 - 2013-01-01 16:47:20 UTC
I just want to state my full support for this idea.
Tediously Useless
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#227 - 2013-01-11 22:00:35 UTC
I like this idea.
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#228 - 2013-01-12 04:07:26 UTC
Tediously Useless wrote:
I like this idea.


You inceptionfag using alt to support main's ideas, very very bad form Ted.

no more games... it's real this time!!!

Malcorian Vandsteidt
Alpha Trades
Solyaris Chtonium
#229 - 2013-01-13 01:02:55 UTC
I approve of this 100%, although the POS cyno thing may be a bit much unless you mean allow more then one pos in the system.
Xavier Schlosser
#230 - 2013-01-13 03:50:32 UTC
Fully support this idea.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#231 - 2013-01-13 05:05:04 UTC
For those not old enough to remember: Empires were in fact separated by lowsec at one point, it broke Eve, and had to be removed.

Tried and failed. /threadRoll
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#232 - 2013-01-13 07:58:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
sabre906 wrote:
For those not old enough to remember: Empires were in fact separated by lowsec at one point, it broke Eve, and had to be removed.

Tried and failed. /threadRoll

When was this? I don't think it ever was like that. In fact if I remember all four empires connected to Yulai and we had a CCP chosen super hub. They removed it because it caused to much server strain and was bigger than jita.

EDIT: I talked to some 2003 players and they say that it was never like what you said.

EDIT 2: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Eve_Online_Expansions Says right their that their was a super highway nearly right off the bat to concord space.

Edit 3: I looked through the first few patchnotes up until they added the super highway gates. Their is no mention of adding extra routes between empires being added so Sabre is full of ****.

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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#233 - 2013-01-18 00:43:36 UTC
So now that we know that this hasn't been tried does anyone else have any objections?

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Dzajic
#234 - 2013-01-18 01:17:14 UTC
Dear op you are so wrong.

Do you (or any of those wholeheartedly supporting this) know that it was like that back in the ancient beginnings of EVE? And even in times of 30k total subs and 5k online it made travel from one empire to empire impossible.

Now add to the picture HICtors, sensorboosted T3s and Ti3s and the fact that there is now 50k online.

Might as well shard individual regions to new servers. People would hire transports and everyone would just move to Caldari space.


Much more mportantly, idea of piracy not making enough money is laughable. You are either doing it wrong or have a completely skewed picture about how much isk is "decent income".
All relevant pirate corps have their own Titans and couple moms each, with extensive cap fleets, their fleet doctrines are Vindies and Machs and they fly and lose two billion pimped and linked 100mn ab Legions and Tengus solo for lulz. "Successful pirates" are already in situation where if you check their kb data you can see some that even if the derp 5 bil per month for random solo or small gang lulz, their daily camping allows them to have 95% isk efficiency.

If you just want easy isk , get a dozen Taloses or Tornados, go to Niarja or Uedema and stand in line. Never ending stream of flying pinatas.
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#235 - 2013-01-18 01:53:57 UTC
I dont agree with this idea

The issue with Eve isent highsec, leave high sec alone it works as it is... If you lowsec / null people dont have targets are lonely, furstrated etc, well maybe you sohuld ask yourself why, and not try invent ways to get what you want on the expense of those that like high sec as it is...
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#236 - 2013-01-18 01:54:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
Dzajic wrote:
Dear op you are so wrong.

Do you (or any of those wholeheartedly supporting this) know that it was like that back in the ancient beginnings of EVE? And even in times of 30k total subs and 5k online it made travel from one empire to empire impossible.

Now add to the picture HICtors, sensorboosted T3s and Ti3s and the fact that there is now 50k online.

Might as well shard individual regions to new servers. People would hire transports and everyone would just move to Caldari space.


Much more mportantly, idea of piracy not making enough money is laughable. You are either doing it wrong or have a completely skewed picture about how much isk is "decent income".
All relevant pirate corps have their own Titans and couple moms each, with extensive cap fleets, their fleet doctrines are Vindies and Machs and they fly and lose two billion pimped and linked 100mn ab Legions and Tengus solo for lulz. "Successful pirates" are already in situation where if you check their kb data you can see some that even if the derp 5 bil per month for random solo or small gang lulz, their daily camping allows them to have 95% isk efficiency.

If you just want easy isk , get a dozen Taloses or Tornados, go to Niarja or Uedema and stand in line. Never ending stream of flying pinatas.

I looked up the **** your saying about the beginnings of eve and this was never true unless you can link it, I asked people and read the patch notes from 2003 and in fact travel between the empire was even more trivial because they all went to yulai with super highway gates. Also I wouldn't be surprised it didn't work then because their are always 1-2 systems that are mandatory to cross if you don't use high sec gates. It would be easy since their would have been only 8 systems to camp without a 40 jump detour. Not to mention they didn't have cynos, wormholes, or cloaks.

Secondly your idea of everyone moving to caldari space is utterly stupid because then who is going to get other factions faction items and mine ice? Who is going to sell modules to all those people then? Then who is going to sell modules to the people who war dec the carebears? Who is going to be patient enough to wait months for the stations factory slots to open up in caldari space? Who is going to sell things to faction warfare players?


How many of those pirates do you think actually made their isk doing piracy? Yea they paid for everything with a constant stream of 5bil mission derps running around and scooping up t2 loot and don't do other things to make isk. Absolutely none of them have incursion alts or do trading. All those gate camps and solo pvpers must make so much isk. *sarcasm
Their is a reason people flip **** when a 5bil missioning boat dies in low sec, because its rare. Yea shadow cartel bought all their supers with modules they scooped lolwut? Also I don't know any parts of eve that are perma camped with the exception of rancer where they only catch pods and untanked travel frigs/shuttles. I don't even think gate camps are at all common in low sec.
I also specifically mention why suicide ganks are lame on one of the earlier posts..

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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#237 - 2013-01-18 01:55:52 UTC
Fey Ivory wrote:
I dont agree with this idea

The issue with Eve isent highsec, leave high sec alone it works as it is... If you lowsec / null people dont have targets are lonely, furstrated etc, well maybe you sohuld ask yourself why, and not try invent ways to get what you want on the expense of those that like high sec as it is...

How is this a nerf to high sec. You will still be able to do all the missions you want safely, do all the mining you want, basically everything you already can do. Trading would be the only thing affected.

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Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#238 - 2013-01-18 02:09:17 UTC
Well you have the epic arch newb mission, that be affected, since if i rmember right spans across Gallante, Minmatar, Amaar...

And depending on how the borders are drawn, it affect pyro/kernite and omber/plagioclase

Also is for me i actually try check prices on where i sell my MInerals, it will reduce where i can make the most profit. it will cut the universe 1/4 for me

The idea initself isent bad, i kind of like it, but i wont support something, where pvpers in Low and null, bascially shot themself in the foot, and this is just anouther exuse for pvpers to gate camp and destroy targets that most of the time cant ewen fight back...

I really like to see ideas how low and null be more apealing to high sec people, this isent the way... sorry i dont have any good options how to fix low, i wish i could, but high sec works so leave it alone
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#239 - 2013-01-18 02:14:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Commander Ted
Fey Ivory wrote:
Well you have the epic arch newb mission, that be affected, since if i rmember right spans across Gallante, Minmatar, Amaar...

And depending on how the borders are drawn, it affect pyro/kernite and omber/plagioclase

Also is for me i actually try check prices on where i sell my MInerals, it will reduce where i can make the most profit. it will cut the universe 1/4 for me

The idea initself isent bad, i kind of like it, but i wont support something, where pvpers in Low and null, bascially shot themself in the foot, and this is just anouther exuse for pvpers to gate camp and destroy targets that most of the time cant ewen fight back...

I really like to see ideas how low and null be more apealing to high sec people, this isent the way... sorry i dont have any good options how to fix low, i wish i could, but high sec works so leave it alone

Well low sec is easily crossable in a frigate, in fact I cross low sec almost every day in a cruiser and rarely see camps, and it would be good if ores had different distributions since it would change prices and add extra isk incentive to trade in order to offeset the risk and create new isk making opportunities for carebears to exploit to be even richer. Not to mention ores can be jump freightered across space and poorer mining corporations can move their minerals via cloaky hauler, wormhole with a freighter, or even transplant their entire mining operation temporarily via wormhole. Also high sec is broken because its the best place to make isk in the game, however I wouldn't be nerfing high sec here and that is not the objective or this idea.

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Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#240 - 2013-01-18 18:38:28 UTC
The amount of already existing low sec entrances is very large so the chances of all of them being camped are terribly low. Not to mention safe trade would still exist for carebears (to a lesser degree yea) between minor hubs, and missioner hotspots. Of course low sec seriously isn't that dangerous, especially without bubbles and fast tackle frigs getting instantly blapped by gate guns.

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