EVE New Citizens Q&A

I decided to try this game out after 9 years, because I kept seeing information about the game. I am very impressed with the depth of this game and have decided to try the game out with the free trial.

I was having some fun at first; however all that quickly faded:

The new player learning curve is HUGE, I was following the first tutorials and was actually seeing how indepth this game goes.

Then came my career choice and decided to try exploration. This sounds like something I would like to do and would enjoy in the long run.

I started out doing the 1 and 2 tutorials of this and learning about the anomalies out there I could find. Then the game went to hell for a "I throw you to the wolves" sort of mentality.

I went to the wrong area trying to find a Gramatic anomaly using probes. Well my ship was destoryed and I had to go back and dock. I was able to get my "Starter" ship back up and was going to try it again.

This is where things went down hill, the mission requires you to have a "Pass Key" to access the second part of the training career. Well I can't get my contents from my other ship because the pirates - 4 shot me and I die again.

What I don't understand is that, I couldn't complete a career training mission (Learning about all the types of anomalies out there" because of no "pass key" to space jump to second part of mission. I deleted the training mission because I was frustrated and now the stupid agent will not talk to me.

If this is a training career mission...then why the hell would you have it that it will not talk to me any more for a certain period of time. I have to wait or might not ever learn about anomalies if I can't chat with him for training. I DO NOT want to do the other career aspects of the game at this time, because the "TIME SINK" is huge when you are trying to learn the game and the "reward/fun vs. Time Sink" isn't very great imo.

I believe if you wanted to attract new players to this game after 9 years then have a space area that trains players and not hinders them. If players feel like they know over 30-50% of the game somewhat they might actually want to sub and then as more players join the game, older players see new blood and life into the game and might return as wel.

I just can't at this time, see myself sinking time and money into a game that hinders me from the start in learning "Vital" aspects of a game which involves multiple careers.

Good luck and thanks for the free trial.

Everyone has complained about the tutorials. The thing is that the tutorials have actually gotten lots better, but it has to reach so high to meet the needs of people - most of whom go "tl;dr" and flip past it anyways, at which point they complain about the tutorials not telling them about things that it already explained! Most of the problems people have are actually explained in the tutorials, actually, but it's a lot of information that people have a hard time putting in context at the time. I almost think they need a bunch of other odd tutorials that put you in a cruiser, just to recap tracking and radius now that you have a ship where that matters, for instance.
Google the CCP Scanning tutorial on Youtube. Also experiment with shift-drag and alt-drag which were added after that was made. It's a bit of a shame that the included browser doesn't do enough HTML5 to be able to stream tutorial videos like that. It realloy has come a long way though. Ask on the Rookie chat and Help channels. People try to be helpful. It's a bit hard to explain exploration in chat though, because its a bit like trying to teach someone how to paint a dog over the telephone, who has never painted and doesn't know what a dog looks like.

You are 100% correct my fault, but you know the learning curve is sort of like this. You go to school up to the fifth grade and then you move to another town. You noticed you are not up to the same point in math or science in this "case" with the other students and the teacher replies, well it's your fault for moving and you will learn from it and not do it again.

I am a new player trying the "Trial Version" so I am not paying yet, to say I am dedicated to this game and its community. I do not want anything handed to me in the game; however I would like to be able to do a tutorial mission and be able to make mistakes and know that if I make them after the tutorial aspect, then it is on me - not during. I stated "Time Sink vs. Reward/Fun" is not in the same ratio, esp. for players if they do not make through a full 15 day trial because of tutorial is not mistake friendly.

In the end this is a "game" and there are many of them, some requiring subs and others f2p...when learning something new you want to have fun and learn the mechanics, if you suffer learning the mechanics then do you think you will continue to grow or shrink in new players joining up.

I am not complaining, I am stating my opinion as a new player wanting to find a game with depth and fun and overall - mature and great community.

There is no "knowing 30-50% of the game" by the way. If you learned to scan, joined a corp and were wardeced a week later you'd run like you were on fire if the tutorial was too hard to deal with...honestly I'm not trying to be a peckerhead.


And yes, noone will be nice to you here when you have 6 hours of experience and start making statements rather than asking us questions we can help you with...you have a question for me or more whining? Remember this section is called Q&A for a reason instead of New players Opinions...save that for general D when you subscribe.

If you require a game that gives more 'guidance' from NPCs, this may not be the game for you.

One thing about this game is that other than very basic knowledge you mostly learn from other players. Sure you can learn to run missions and just run missions the whole of your game life here, but most will not find that rewarding.

So my biggest suggestion to your problem is that you find a new player friendly corporation where you are comfortable. To play this game to any degree of proficiency requires a great degree of social interaction. There are many paths you can take and some guidance or trading of experience can go a very long way towards making your experience more enjoyable.

Who knows, you might meet a friend or two along the way.

PS: Don't worry about the trolls, some people seem to just love to troll the forums to have a place to put their negativity out on the street for some reason.

If you're not interested in a game that forces you to pay attention right from day one, invest effort and do stuff properly rather than skimming over it and getting away with it, that's fine. Many people don't like EVE for many different reasons, that's also fine. What's not fine is going "change this existing and flourishing game so that I like it more, then I might stay".

In short: if you don't like it no harm done, that's what the trial is for. Good luck elsewhere.

The exploration tutorial is the hardest one in my opinion.

But, you do need to finish all the other ones even if you have your heart set on scouting. They all teach useful skills and give you a bunch of ships and equiptmet you will want later regardless of where the journey takes you. It helped me somewhat.

I do agree with the above posters, I lucked up and got into a corp very early and learned from them. For newer players, though I have heard that can be hard because everyone is paranoid that all newbies are secret spies.. but oh well. Guess it is lucky.

Some of the things that the bigger guys do, you may not be able to do very well as a newr player. For example, the first corp I was in went into wormhole. But, there was no way I would survive sleepers. Nor could I stealth and to salvage you needed salvaging 4. All I would be able to do is sit in a POS or maybe mine. Not sure about null. Low, I may have been able to fake, but with ship losses from noobishness.

For the real exploration, in my opinion, does not really come into it's own till stealth (which I am inching towards) You will also need to mine, trade, build, research, mission, or fight in the meantime.

If you are finding Eve Online to be too difficult for you at this point, after all the overhauling and streamlining that was done over the years to the tutorials and new-player experience by CCP, then obviously this game was never meant for you.

But if you feel determined to complete that objective you picked with your career, then you're persistence will help push you through the obstacles and overcome. If you can do that, then there is hope for you yet.

I didn't know it was possible to fail the tutorials.




You should try playing World of Warcraft... or maybe checkers?

Here's why this is not the game for everyone. You were presented with a problem: My passkey is stuck in a wreck I really can't get to. If your solution to this problem is there should be a reset button then you will expect a reset button in the future to make things easy...in my opinion the tutorial is doing a great job at ACTUALLY TRAINING YOU.



Here are a few solutions to this problem that require no skillpoints:

Hop over one or two systems and ask in local if someone could grab it for you or just kill the rats.

Post a question here and we will help.

Do a google search for ...well anything really. (don't tell me google isn't the game. Players have spent a very long time making guides to help you...get very used to it)

Contact a GM to reset it for you.