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Can't believe how many CSM/CCP employees want a theme park

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#281 - 2013-01-17 21:18:07 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
What's good about EVE other than that the players are allowed the maximum possible freedom to interact with each other?


What's good: a consequence of that freedom: its markets. Twisted

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Mister S Burke
Doomheim
#282 - 2013-01-17 21:23:20 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
No company succeeds by alienatng their consumer base.

WE are the consumer base. NEW players are wanted, but are not the consumer base.

A drastic change to the game will cause a mass exit of current players. That will never be forgotten, and it will only stick to CCP until the day they close up EVE.



Speak for yourself, you would not leave and everyone knows it, Goons have the curse of MMO celebrity status, you can't leave because there is no other game where you could have so much power and be a star. I give you credit for being a household name and an MMO star, but no, you guys can't leave so stop threatening. You would cry and whine but you would not leave. You guys will be here in 10 years bitching about cupcake ships and magic star launchers, but you won't leave until they pull the plug.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#283 - 2013-01-17 21:24:17 UTC
I don't think Rfit gets the credit it deserves, and I don't think Trion will be going FTP with that anytime soon.
And Rift is the only themepark MMO sinse WoW that has managed to sustain itself with a subscription.

Probably becuse trion is very agressive about including new things to the game on a rather regular basis.
Players wanted housing, they got it. They wanted 3 faction pvp, they got it. They wanted shorter Q's for dungeons and battlegrounds, they got it. They wanted new ways to play their characters, they got it. They wanted new ways to play in general, more open world pvp, more events, mounts, armours, etc, and they got it.

Trion seems to undertand that if you want to grow your game, you give the players MORE content. You don't alter the foundation of your game in effort to appeal to people who were never your target market anyways.


Kind of like how CCP has, for the most part, found new ways to play in space, and stuck to their sandbox market. All the while they've been able to continue growing. If they want to see more growth beyond 2012, they'll have to make new content, not just do more of the same, and sure as hell not deviate from it's core principles of being a sandbox.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#284 - 2013-01-17 21:26:20 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:
What I want to know is why EVE people can't stop talking about wow. Wow people have never even heard of EVE. I would wager many wow haters just could not get into a Naxx of ANQ 40 man guild.


I was the guild leader of a guild doing both (even got a video on youtube showing us doing T2.5). I loved *that* WoW, the WoW where Onyxia was a badass boss able to wipe everybody in 10 seconds, where the 2nd boss in T2 was so awesome for its unique setting, where people could go around Tarren Mill and kill without stupid immortal guards. The outdoor bosses that would cause never ending PvP...

Then WoW became... well... WoW.

I'd hate EvE fell down the same spiralling path. Yes WoW mk 1 had "just" 550k subs but was so qualitatively rewarding than the sequels. I don't want EvE mk 2.

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#285 - 2013-01-17 21:26:44 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:


Speak for yourself, you would not leave and everyone knows it, Goons have the curse of MMO celebrity status, you can't leave because there is no other game where you could have so much power and be a star. I give you credit for being a household name and an MMO star, but no, you guys can't leave so stop threatening. You would cry and whine but you would not leave. You guys will be here in 10 years bitching about cupcake ships and magic star launchers, but you won't leave until they pull the plug.

You couldn't even get beyond your first sentence without being a hypocrit.

You tell me to speak for myself and then go on to tell me what I would or wouldn't do? That's a ******* joke right?



And yes, I would quit, along with thousands upon thousands of other people. I'm not here because it's spaceships, I'm here because it's the best sandbox on the market.
Mister S Burke
Doomheim
#286 - 2013-01-17 21:31:51 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:




And yes, I would quit, along with thousands upon thousands of other people. I'm not here because it's spaceships, I'm here because it's the best sandbox on the market.


When is the last time you paid your subscription with real money and not a PLEX?
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#287 - 2013-01-17 21:33:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Kainotomiu Ronuken
Mister S Burke wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:




And yes, I would quit, along with thousands upon thousands of other people. I'm not here because it's spaceships, I'm here because it's the best sandbox on the market.


When is the last time you paid your subscription with real money and not a PLEX?

A PLEX is real money.

Edit: Badly phrased. A PLEX is worth real money to CCP and if he stops paying his subscription by PLEXes that's still bad for CCP.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#288 - 2013-01-17 21:34:51 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Mister S Burke wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:




And yes, I would quit, along with thousands upon thousands of other people. I'm not here because it's spaceships, I'm here because it's the best sandbox on the market.


When is the last time you paid your subscription with real money and not a PLEX?

A PLEX is real money.

And more real money than a sub too.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#289 - 2013-01-17 21:36:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
This very well could be the underlying problem.

In the minutes it was asked of the CSM members, If EVE was bascially sword and sorcery would they still play it, and they said unanimously YES.

Bascially, the sandbox is more important than the setting. I agee with that.
Spaceships are a plus, but it's the sandbox that keeps me here.

People that want a themepark aren't here for the sandbox, they're here for the spacships; so they could give a **** if the game changed focus.

For some of us, it's sandbox over spaceships.
For the horrible among us it's the spaceships over the sandbox.

They're easy to spot. They usually have an arguement that involves "it's a sandbox, I should be able to play how I want without you effecting me."

They don't give a **** about the sand or the box, they just want to fly spaceships. That's fine, nothing wrong with that at all. It's only problem when they open their mouths.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#290 - 2013-01-17 21:37:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Mister S Burke wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:




And yes, I would quit, along with thousands upon thousands of other people. I'm not here because it's spaceships, I'm here because it's the best sandbox on the market.


When is the last time you paid your subscription with real money and not a PLEX?

6 or 7 months ago.

I don't use plex, I pay a year at a time, for two accounts, out of my own pocket.


For the reccord, I tried the plex thing, and it just made me hate the game. I don't want to play in order to pay my account, I prefer the play for fun method.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#291 - 2013-01-17 21:41:18 UTC
Whats Minecraft all about? I only ask because it seems to share some players with Eve.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#292 - 2013-01-17 21:43:22 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Whats Minecraft all about? I only ask because it seems to share some players with Eve.

The real game of legos.

The only game of legos.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#293 - 2013-01-17 21:46:30 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Whats Minecraft all about? I only ask because it seems to share some players with Eve.

Bunch of blocks that you can pick up and move around.
Sejania Tor
Dog Nation
#294 - 2013-01-17 21:47:12 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Mister S Burke wrote:


Speak for yourself, you would not leave and everyone knows it, Goons have the curse of MMO celebrity status, you can't leave because there is no other game where you could have so much power and be a star. I give you credit for being a household name and an MMO star, but no, you guys can't leave so stop threatening. You would cry and whine but you would not leave. You guys will be here in 10 years bitching about cupcake ships and magic star launchers, but you won't leave until they pull the plug.

You couldn't even get beyond your first sentence without being a hypocrit.

You tell me to speak for myself and then go on to tell me what I would or wouldn't do? That's a ******* joke right?



And yes, I would quit, along with thousands upon thousands of other people. I'm not here because it's spaceships, I'm here because it's the best sandbox on the market.




Not just thousands. More like tens of thousands. I'd be gone as soon as they announced some crap like what some of people above are suggesting. Take away pvp in high sec, suicide ganks and all. Good riddance to the market. Nothing would sell because it would be swamped. Bad enough we have people that sit around in faction ships with officer fits that do nothing but wow raids in space.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#295 - 2013-01-17 21:48:11 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Whats Minecraft all about? I only ask because it seems to share some players with Eve.

The real game of legos.

The only game of legos.

Is that where the hardcore carebears go to dream and build little empires in peace? A sandbox without the risk of PvP?
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#296 - 2013-01-17 21:51:12 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Whats Minecraft all about? I only ask because it seems to share some players with Eve.

The real game of legos.

The only game of legos.

Is that where the hardcore carebears go to dream and build little empires in peace? A sandbox without the risk of PvP?

I thought that was A Tale in the Desert, or Hearth and Home or whatever it's called.


You know those "sandbox" mmo's that few people play and no one ever talks about, that have no PvP. I believe the later doesn't even have fighting of any sort.


But those aren't spaceship games, so the horribles of EVE don't care about ruining them.
Winchester Steele
#297 - 2013-01-17 21:51:56 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:


Do you have any proof that the market has changed, and that EVE will die if it doesn't turn itself into a WoW clone? Anything at all? No?


..... Drivel......

.5-1.0 = NO PVP

.4 and below, welcome to the jungle.

Fixed.



Ugh. There are no words to describe how reprehensible and non-sandbox like this idea is. You are bad, and you should feel bad.
In one fell swoop you just killed Eve, congrats. Thank ******* God you dont make the decisions around here.

...

Merouk Baas
#298 - 2013-01-17 21:52:34 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
For some of us, it's sandbox over spaceships.
For the horrible among us it's the spaceships over the sandbox.


Problem: We already have sandbox. CCP can't do "more" sandbox; it's an absolute term, like "complete". You can't have "more complete." They can take the sandbox away, change it into something else, I'll grant you that, but what you want already is. Box, sand. Done.

They can, however, do more spaceships. Pertaining to EVE, and not DUST and other games, that's about the only thing they can do.

So while you would very much like to keep the sandbox, "the horrible" are actually giving CCP an answer when they ask themselves "wtf can we do next, anybody with any imagination speak up?", I mean when they have their pre-development meetings.

And THAT is the problem you have.
Mister S Burke
Doomheim
#299 - 2013-01-17 21:52:39 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:

A PLEX is real money.

Edit: Badly phrased. A PLEX is worth real money to CCP and if he stops paying his subscription by PLEXes that's still bad for CCP.


Good luck explaining that to potential investors. Here is my point. If an Uber Rich Player who has been amassing billions since the Bush administration just buys a PLEX with in game money and never pays a real dime he is not as valuable as the new guy who has to sub AND buy a PLEX with real money to get the cool new ship he wants. See here is the catch. People blast Blizzard for this because they went hardcore mainstream. Blizzard figured out that after half a decade anyone who wanted to play wow had done it by then, that is the same with EVE, if you haven't gotten into the "cold harsh scam libertatian utopia" with it's harsh death penalty by now, you probably don't want to. I would like to see the trial to sub ratio as I heard it was abysmal. So now there is the big question, what next? I don't pretend to have the answer but like I said, by after 10 years you either are into the "cold, harsh yadda, yadda" or not. Now what to do with those that are not? I think it is a mistake to bet the farm on the old vets as well, the republican party doubled down on the "old timers" and their pep rallies look like a nursing home fire drill. You need young blood to survive and grow.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#300 - 2013-01-17 21:55:24 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
are we to let you people run more than 5 bil in freighters and officer fit your mission ships with impunity?

You already allow players, who sit docked at Jita and who you cannot shoot, to transfer trillions safely.

If players dock up in a station, logout or jump into a theme park then makes what difference?


I have fun spending 18 hours a day transferring the same 10B back and forth between my characters... oh wait, people don't just "transfer" but use that money for trading, and trading involves a winner and 1 loser per each transaction.

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