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"It's a griefing tool" does not explain anything. I think you have obviously done harm to someone, and they put a bounty on you for their own reasons.

You are not being handled like a criminal, the bounty just means that someone out there does not like you, and is willing to pay some ISK to get your spaceship exploded. It is not in any way related to security status. Furthermore, low security status does not automatically make someone "bad"- if someone attacks me in lowsec, his security status is lowered. Even though I wanted him to attack me.

Would you place a bounty on Soundwave? Is that what you want to do? Do you want revenge?

What I see taking hold at CCP is something in business circles is called "Analysis Paralysis".

A bunch of really smart people sitting around convincing each other why they can't accomplish anything big because they can tear holes in each others ideas all day long. Not to mention fear of another Incarna.

Killed off walking in stations, okay. Next big idea is ring mining, put that off for POS revamp. POS redesign doesn't effect enough people due to the design of POSes (yes that is intended to point out the circular logic). Do they go back to Ring Mining? No. I am sure that's been thoroughly debunked internally at this point.

We have a big blank. A vision to have a vision.

I have seen this in companies before and I can tell you it doesn't end well, unless they can snap out of it.

CCP, get behind an idea and have faith in yourselves that you can work out the details. You guys are clearly smart people just getting in your own way right now.

Was trying to read all of the comments in this thread before posting, but every time I finish a page, a new one has appeared!

Enjoyed reading those minutes (ALL 113 PAGES). Whatever anyone's opinion of the outcomes is, I think we should all thank the members of the CSM for taking the time to attend and then put together such detailed minutes.

I felt, after reading the 'Next Decade' section that an opportunity was missed. It seems to me that Unifex was almost imploring the CSM for ideas for a theme and features to be included in the summer expansion, and yet they never really took the opportunity to offer any.

I don't care a whole lot about many of the specific things discussed - I'm sure that goes for many people - but I can't help feeling that the CSM always gets too bogged down in the micro-management of the game and its features and isn't great at taking a step back and getting involved in the discussion about the bigger, strategic picture, despite Unifex's attempts to illicit that discussion.

On a more positive notes, I like the strategy CCP are adopting in terms of themed expansions, with something for everyone. I like the idea of better, prettier transitions when docking and undocking (subject to no increase in wait times). The discussion about live events was very exciting.

On the topic of changes to the CSM voting mechanism, a lot of good points were raised, but I don't feel any good conclusions were reached. I'd like to see somebody like me (maybe even me!) be able to have a shot at running for CSM and then representing the views of players like me, which doesn't happen at the moment. But this doesn't seem like a realistic prospect, even under any of the proposed new systems.

Interesting, I came away with the exact same impression.

And I'll say what I've said a lot of times before. They are really great at thinking up awesome ideas, prototyping them, showing them off, getting us excited, and then doing nothing. It's a running theme for CCP, and it's not just the "new" guys; the old guard was just as guilty as the new.

What really baffled me,
The entire idea of the PoS revamp was to make them ALL INCLUSIVE. I could have swore the point was that EVERYONE would be able to use them, and that they wanted to get away from it being something that only some people would use.

But, they won't do it because it's not used by everyone? I'm really confused.


2012 was NICE, inferno and retribution were GOOD. However, they didn't bring a load of new players to the game. New players aren't waiting for old systems and mechanics to get improved, they're waiting for CONTENT that they'd like to do.

More of the same is not going to grow EVE, and that's pretty much the impression I got from the minutes. We're going to scrap the larger more complex stuff and keep focusing on messing with what's here.

I feel like they're falling into the same development trap that other developers have, which is why none of those games are growing.


And in the back of my head, the thing that's bothering me most.
The chinese server reopened, and only 100k are playing. I can't help but feel, especially after reading the minutes, that CCP sees a nation of billions, and there game only attracting 100k.

And they want to know what they can do to get more of "those" players into EVE.


It read way to much like a lot of focus on dollars, and not enough sense.


One last thing/s.
The idea that new gameplay should be a new game is complete bullshit CCP. I do not want to play "another" game to get new eperience in the "eve universes". I want to play EVE and get those experiences. Dust is not EVE, I don't care what the connection, it's an entirely other game that people will eitehr play or they will not, but it's not something people are going to play because it's a part of the "eve universe".

They'll play it because it's a good game, and they won't if it's bad, no amount "this is EVE" is going to change that. I came away thinking that they think it will. They made it clear a year ago that Dust was consuming a lot of CCP resouces; those are also EVE resources. The idea that they don't want to devote resources to non FiS is rediculous when you've got one game in beta and another in perpectual pre development.

Dust and WoD are no less taking from EVE than if you spent time wroking on expanding things like WiS.
More FiS is never going to grow EVE, and neither will making new games that I have to play in order to ge tthe experience from EVE that CCP has always held firm in the past would be a part of EVE as it's future.




Maybe it's my unique perspective on life, as I go to bed every night knowing I may not have a tomorrow, and I wake every day with the same though.

Positive thought leads to positive action, and that generally has positive outcomes.
If you think it's to hard, it will be to hard. The minute made me feel that CCP doesn't really understand this, and that they've fallen into the "it's to hard, so it's not worth the effort" mentality.

EVE did not get where it is today by shucking difficulty. I feel some at CCP need to be reminded of this.

Unfortunately there are a lot of other changes I can not agree with CCP.
NPC AI which kills drones so fast that you are barely able to kill the frigs first. Do a BUZZ KILL now.
The daft new sounds. Really "Skilltraining Completed BOING!!!" Who needs that ****?
Missile nerf and no missile bombardement in DUST available. CCP really hates Caldari.
Most of the changes are things I can live with .. some day. But to top the crap in Retribution they implemented a bounty system which is now per fact just a griefing tool. I am a good guy and do not want to be marked as bad! If I steal from someone I demand a bounty! If I am rude to some one also! But not for a single answer to a question from a neewbie in a help channel! That is just dumb! And as it is.. you can read in the minutes that there are just a few persons who had petitioned the bounty system.. they say 40. That is a clear lie! If this would be true I would nearly know all of them? Strange! My petition was answered via mass response from one GM. There are more than just 40 persons in EVE who find the bounty system bad.

If a WANTED sign from CCP (I blame CCP for this Bounty System!) is CCP's "special thank" for nearly 5 years continued subscription AND WORK in their own official HILFE channel, I have to leave EVE and CCP. That is my only chance that CCP really sees that I hate their bounty system.. As you can read in the Minues:


Listen CCP. Two Accounts canceled! Two from me. I know many others that also canceled during your daft new bounty system!
Perhaps it is a rage quit.. But I want to see it as a last chance to tell CCP how I think about their bad work!

Yeah! You know all facts and numbers? Just because it is not interesting for YOU and you do not talk to other peoples about that issue and therefore you do not know the problem, does not mean that there is no problem!
I have talked to others.. there are a lot of other players. I am not allone.

You have no idea how many people I talk, or the amount of time I spend preaching the gospel of EVE, but I guarantee you I'm spending more time getting others to play this game than you can possibly imagine. I spend far more time trying to convince people to play this game than I probably should.

People are not quitting left and right ove rthe bounty system and I know this because they would have said in the minutes that they had plans to rectify a problem.

YOU didn't understand that CCP was telling YOU that there is NO PROBLEM.
You're so hurt over a stupid tag in the game that even when you're told no problem exists you can't hear it.


More than a month after it's introduction they know what it's impact was, and it wasn't enough to warrant changes. You're two accounts is trivial.

Thank you for making me laugh!
But I think you missed some facts:

FIRST: Patch notes for EVE Online: Retribution 1.0 ->Released on Tuesday, December 4, 2012
SECOND: Last December, the 12th to the 14th 2012, the CSM visited Iceland for a scheduled series of sessions with the EVE Online developers.

CCP barely has enough valid datas to be completely sure that there is no problem. Not enough time for a funded analysis i think.

So I have to insist on my opinion.. There IS a problem.. I know many people who do not like the new bounty system.

40 people with petitions concerning the new bounty system within 8 days! OK.. you say there is no problem.. I say you have missed the time frame.

One note: I know you are a Goon.. but please dont be so condescending .

POS and corp management affect a lot more people than the ones who directly manage POS or corps.

My corp lives in wspace and we like it. It fits our playstyle very well. The problem is attrition and recruiting. real life happens and some players left or have less time. But recruiting replacements runs into the hassles of POS and corp management. To let a new player have enough access to do much of anything gives him way too much access. So instead of our corp recruiting some new like minded players who we gradually give more access to our corp will soon pack up and move back to hisec.

CCP needs to fix POS and corp management to make all of wspace better and it will make a lot of null bears happy too.