EVE General Discussion

"Ganking" doesn't equal "Griefing", Ganking is nothing more than a PvP tactic or scenario. The main reason ganking always tends to stands out in peoples minds, is because the scenario is unfair, welcome to emergent gameplay. Whilst any loss to a player may cause some grief, it doesn't fall under "Griefing".

"Greifing" would be the act of a player/players causing undue stress/grief/harm to another player, via outside game mechanics a.k.a. exploits, anything else literally falls under playing the game. If not any kind of loss to a player, could be called grief. Welcome to Eve; the place where choices are meant to be meaningful.

So "Griefing" by all means needs to be dealt with, If "Ganking" is enough to make a player unsub, then Eve clearly isn't for them. If you try to remove Ganking from Eve, it wouldn't be Eve, as it would go against all the principles that makes Eve, well EVE, no?

In the end, a meaningful war boils down to people having the numbers and desire to engage in it.

Nothing CCP does will make a group undock to fight if they don't want to.
As long as high sec is dominated by small corporation, there will never be "meaningful" wars in high sec, because no one will grow large enough to give the larger guys a real fight.

There is no "safety in numbrs" mentality in high sec; so high sec corporations and alliances feel no urge to grow larger. It's simply esier for the majority of people, in any area of EVE to be honest, to form up a small corp and then disband if there's a war than it is to grow large enough to fight back.

There is no sense of loss because they they aren't actually responcible for a larger group of people.
No one's disbanding a 100 man corp because of a wardec.

You're confused.

I take the direction that the developers discuss about a game I pay for ( I don't use plex even though I make enough isk to buy one a day, I pay a year at a time for EVE.)

I only do industry, what you want would negatively impact my entire playstyle.

Of course I take it serious.
YOU want to ruin EVE. Everyone should take that serious.

I wouldn't bother with a different game. I'm yet to find one game that doesn't have fanatics in it.

Just enjoy yanking their chains every time they surface.

That's why eve is cool. They also think they know everything and they are playing the game correctly. Sand box wants to have a word with them. Play it your own way, just play it.

I'm fine with highsec being made safer if they reduce the awards recordingly. As it stands, if I had to throw out a number, I'd say highsec mission/rat/mining/etc. based income needs a good 10-15% nerf.

I'd actually argue that the low level highsec stuff needs a buff. Newbies really don't get paid enough.

The mere thought that people like you, whitehound and march rabbit may be influencing this game with your idiotic, self-righteous soccer mom ideologies makes me sad for the future of this game. Can't you clowns just go play any one of the bajillion mmos-on-rails that already exist? As a small time highsec player, the only thing that keeps me subbed is the potential for unconsensual pvp. If I want pure pve, theres 100 games out there that do it better. The day my tengu is immune to ganks in hi-sec is the day I hang up my subs.

Btw, they dont get rich and bored. They get bored and quit..........

Why would we ask for what we already have?

Yes you do. You keep saying over and over that it would be ok with you if high sec was turned into a pvp free themepark.

You said it wouldn't impact the rest of the game.

Even though it woudl destroy the economy, and cause a massive amount of people to quit.
Just because you don't want to intentionally destroy EVE, doesn't mean that if CCP ever did what you wanted it woudln't. It very much would.

So yeah, you want ruin EVE by turning high sec into a pvpless themepark.



Let's not get into personal remarks. It's a forum, you have no idea how I really "take" things.
Just because I'm posting in a discussion about a game I play doesn't mean I'm "taking it serious". My health occupies all the time I have for serious.

I'm possibly one of the least serious persons you would ever meet.

Eve is a niche mmo and will always be a niche mmo.

But it's been niche for nearly 10 years, while countless huge budget theme park mmos erupt into being in an explosion of hype before fizzling out in a prompt whisp of decline and disappointment.

It's true that gaming is getting bigger, and appealing to a wider audience, but that means the niche will just get bigger, and a fraction of newer gamers will get bored of being treated like a lost crackhead in a sweetshop and look for something more.

Some of them will find some unintuitive and unfair internet spaceship game, and will ******* love it.

Also, right now, there really are just two MMOs that haven't gone F2P, or look like they're going that way soon. Wow, king of the theme park, and Eve, king of the sandbox. And with no sand to throw, all you have is a box, and no one is going to pay to sit in your box, no matter what a couple of delusional ccp devs might have said.

Anyway, the sociopathic, anti-newbie neckbeards of eve are just so goshdarn nice, first time I got popped during the tender days of my trial, the guy explained afterwards the importance of/how to make safe spots on top of teaching me how to use the D-scanner and was even kind enough to hunt me down in every low-sec radar site found for the next few days just to make sure I'd learned something. Can't say that for any other mmo I've played before or since.

X3 provides all the action of eve without the risk or need to communicate with humans, and I found that game to be dull as ****. But it sounds like many on these forums should check it out, or wait for Wing Commander (almost)Online.

edit- unless the safe high-sec crowd are actually just alts playing up for giggles in which case, good show sirs 9/10.