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Is CCP planning on removing data cores?
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-01-17 15:56:25 UTC
I heard from someone on EvE that CCP is going to remove research NPCs and datacores.

If this is true, how will research be handled?

If they are going to remove them in the first place...

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-01-17 16:36:27 UTC
Did that person have a reference (dev blog, forum post, etc) for that plan?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#3 - 2013-01-17 16:49:16 UTC
Not removing datacores.

Removing the passive generation of datacores with research agents.

Invention will still require them. The primary source, now, is faction warfare.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-01-17 16:50:41 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Not removing datacores.

Removing the passive generation of datacores with research agents.

Invention will still require them. The primary source, now, is faction warfare.


Well its a good thing that I am in faction warfare then. How will you go about getting data cores in FW?

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#5 - 2013-01-17 16:51:58 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Not removing datacores.

Removing the passive generation of datacores with research agents.

Invention will still require them. The primary source, now, is faction warfare.


Well its a good thing that I am in faction warfare then. How will you go about getting data cores in FW?


They're in the LP store.

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Toku Jiang
Jiang Laboratories and Discovery
#6 - 2013-01-17 17:04:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Toku Jiang
So they want to remove the passive part of getting them even though we now have to pay isk for the cores? So one would have to assume that they will be killing off the Research Project Management skill and giving us those points back?

Man CCP is becoming a bunch of ******bags
Charlepetit LaJoie
Trust Me Ltd
#7 - 2013-01-17 18:17:31 UTC
Some Exploration sites also are a source of datacores. I don't know how exploration compares to faction warfare for an individual pilot's chances of acquiring the same number of datacores, though.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-01-17 18:40:00 UTC
Charlepetit LaJoie wrote:
Some Exploration sites also are a source of datacores. I don't know how exploration compares to faction warfare for an individual pilot's chances of acquiring the same number of datacores, though.


FW farming is the one and only viable source of datacores, considering cost and quantity factors. A pretty bad move on CCP's part, tying together unrelated parts of Eve and breaking what used to work fine, just to add more reward to FW. The current loopsided FW farming is already having an effect on datacore market.
Ave Kathrina
My Ass Is On Fire
#9 - 2013-01-17 21:40:44 UTC
IF (And thats a rather large IF) CCP go further in removing passove datacore farming over and above the massive nerf they already implemented, I have no use for 3 accounts.

Across 7 pilots I took the time to grind rep with all the factions, spent many millions purchasing the project management, many months training project management (ie, level 5 of this skill is a month train for anyone) and the same again for the science skills.

I'm not hanging around for another nerf.
I've done some really stupid shit in this game.
Sola Mercury
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-01-18 01:28:56 UTC
Ave Kathrina wrote:
IF (And thats a rather large IF) CCP go further in removing passove datacore farming over and above the massive nerf they already implemented, I have no use for 3 accounts.

Across 7 pilots I took the time to grind rep with all the factions, spent many millions purchasing the project management, many months training project management (ie, level 5 of this skill is a month train for anyone) and the same again for the science skills.

I'm not hanging around for another nerf.


I have to agee with your signature, then. Indeed you did.
Amy Wiggin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-01-18 02:20:10 UTC
Although CCP screwed up by making datacores an FW LP item you can still get them thru the research agents... Albeit with a 10k isk price per datacore you get from them... Sigh... It just isnt what it used to be
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-01-18 09:54:43 UTC
Small ship combat Alt on standby.
H2O Hairey
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-01-18 12:50:38 UTC
So if ccp would nerf the passive datacores "research"

What would be the way for eve players to earn those?
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#14 - 2013-01-18 13:42:17 UTC
In the end the ultimate goal is to further cement power in the hands of the chosen alliances with T2 BPOs.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Toku Jiang
Jiang Laboratories and Discovery
#15 - 2013-01-18 17:46:50 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
In the end the ultimate goal is to further cement power in the hands of the chosen alliances with T2 BPOs.


Clearly you don't know anything about T2 BPO's or T2 production.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#16 - 2013-01-18 18:26:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Toku Jiang wrote:
So they want to remove the passive part of getting them even though we now have to pay isk for the cores? So one would have to assume that they will be killing off the Research Project Management skill and giving us those points back?

Man CCP is becoming a bunch of ******bags


Completely unjustifiable whining. Boo hoo.

Research agents have been a target for removal for years, and RIGHTFULLY so. I only ever got one character research agents, and I'm pretty sure I've earned billions of isk while that account was inactive. Well worth the time, and consider the people who did it on multiple characters for years upon years.

Ave Kathrina wrote:
IF (And thats a rather large IF) CCP go further in removing passove datacore farming over and above the massive nerf they already implemented, I have no use for 3 accounts.

Across 7 pilots I took the time to grind rep with all the factions, spent many millions purchasing the project management, many months training project management (ie, level 5 of this skill is a month train for anyone) and the same again for the science skills.


If you did this within the last year, you're an idiot, and if you did this before, you've made fistfuls of isk.

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In the end the ultimate goal is to further cement power in the hands of the chosen alliances with T2 BPOs.


T2 BPOs only matter to the people that own them and the people that whine about them. I'd love to see them go poof as well, but their impact on the market is mostly negligible.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#17 - 2013-01-18 18:47:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
sabre906 wrote:
Charlepetit LaJoie wrote:
Some Exploration sites also are a source of datacores. I don't know how exploration compares to faction warfare for an individual pilot's chances of acquiring the same number of datacores, though.


FW farming is the one and only viable source of datacores, considering cost and quantity factors. A pretty bad move on CCP's part, tying together unrelated parts of Eve and breaking what used to work fine, just to add more reward to FW. The current loopsided FW farming is already having an effect on datacore market.



Indeed they vanished from the Exploration sites when FW LP Store availability was added.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#18 - 2013-01-18 19:05:15 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
sabre906 wrote:


FW farming is the one and only viable source of datacores, considering cost and quantity factors. A pretty bad move on CCP's part, tying together unrelated parts of Eve and breaking what used to work fine, just to add more reward to FW. The current loopsided FW farming is already having an effect on datacore market.



Indeed they vanished from the Exploration sites when FW LP Store availability was added.


This seems counter-productive, as radar sites were never a reliable source either. IMO lowsec/nullsec radars could use a boost regardless, and that would relieve some inevitable pressure caused on the market by turning off the undoubtedly massive stream coming from research agents

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#19 - 2013-01-18 19:11:43 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
sabre906 wrote:


FW farming is the one and only viable source of datacores, considering cost and quantity factors. A pretty bad move on CCP's part, tying together unrelated parts of Eve and breaking what used to work fine, just to add more reward to FW. The current loopsided FW farming is already having an effect on datacore market.



Indeed they vanished from the Exploration sites when FW LP Store availability was added.


This seems counter-productive, as radar sites were never a reliable source either. IMO lowsec/nullsec radars could use a boost regardless, and that would relieve some inevitable pressure caused on the market by turning off the undoubtedly massive stream coming from research agents



By Exploration Sites I meant the Radar Sites of course. I just spoke too generically I guess.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Toku Jiang
Jiang Laboratories and Discovery
#20 - 2013-01-18 19:35:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Toku Jiang
Batelle wrote:


Completely unjustifiable whining. Boo hoo.





1. They implemented this system after they killed off the T2 BPO lottery. They created it and we adapted to it, sunk time and skill points into it to work the system, just like any other system in this game that generates isk. From your point any activity in game that gives you a gain while not active should RIGHTFULLY be targeted. So we should remove skill point generation while off line?

2. It doesn't matter how much money was made from grinding up corp status and getting agents. Money isn't the issue. The point is that if they remove getting data cores from research agents all together they make the agents, the corporations of said agents, and the skills worthless. Granted there has been returns on the deal, but again thats not the point.

3. I find it annoying that datacores got moved to the LP store for faction warfare, and that the only reason why this was done was so that more people would do more FW so they can promote DUST and have an interaction there, thats all it really boils down to, it has nothing to do with game mechanics or passive isk. PI is a giant passive isk bucket of joy.

The problem I have with datacores going to FW only will be the long term effect on the game of EVE. When FW and DUST lose their "new" and die off from the game due to player boredom (and they will), where then we will get our data cores?
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