EVE General Discussion

If there was a space game with equally complex and challenging content, but without all the huffin' and puffin', then EVE could possibly see the biggest loss in player numbers in its history.

I stay with EVE because I like it, but certainly not all of it. I like winning more than I like losing and I don't take joy out of a fight where I lose and only my loss is smaller than that of my opponent. This is where most of the drama starts. If I could get a better game then I'd buy it and if I then have little time left for EVE would I be leaving.

Just saying... I post this here so that you and others can understand what it is that makes someone stay. You will now argue that there is no alternative to EVE, but that does not mean I am wrong or that I am playing EVE wrong.

I really dislike all this drama and if I could move on from it then I would. Until then do I have hopes that EVE will change to the better.

Fair enough?

Because they planned to do that a long time ago and got around to it? or any number of reasons. You're trying to use suposistion as fact and it doesn't hold water.

Where is the evidence of decreasing subs during player created ganking events like Hulkageddon? THAT would be proff that would stand up in a court.



So, give us a link to where you read those exit polls.

You simply don't know what "evidence" means. Let me help:

ev·i·dence
[ev-i-duh ns]noun, verb, ev·i·denced, ev·i·denc·ing.
noun

1.
that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.

Until you have proof of what you say, it's all just speculation, and speculation is often wrong. what's really happening is you are putting your trust in a belief that supports what you are already predisposed to believe, which is a bad foundation for any kind of belief.

Also provably untrue. there have been MANY space themed games that were supposed to kill EVE (like the Star Wars Games, Star Trek Online, Black Prophecy etc etc etc).

None of them ever did, and yet folks like you cling to the this belief.

You also cling to the mistaken belief that you only play EVE because there is nothing better out there. The truth is you folks tned to be complainers and need no other reason to dislike something other than it exists lol.



Nope. you are choosing to play a game you fundamentally dislike (despite your protests otherwise), even though there are other games you could be playing. In effect you are blaming the game for your personal choices. This is, sadly, a typical response, there are many such malcontents in EVE, sticking around in hopes that "ONE DAY EVE will be the awesome game I think it should be so i just have to endure a little longer".

You're fooling yourself (but not the rest of us lol), but it's your life, and your time/money to waste, so Cheers.

I have no idea what you are talking about or what the meaning of your response is. All I can read is that you want CCP to close the doors of high-sec to you.

Would you mind trying again, please?

look at this guy, first a barbie lover now a theme-parker, probably want the only allowable non-consensual thing ingame to be emoting.

In that respect, if you say that there is no proof that ganking cause subscription losses then the opposite seems to be true.

You can not prove to me that ganking increases subscriptions or keeps them at the same level.

I'll admit there are not true numbers floating around, but I am making a logical inference that the balancing happened because event A seemed to correspond with even B. Perhaps my logic is flawed but it seems pretty suspicious that only after Hulkageddon did they buff mining barges.

Also lets consider this story why ganking may cause a subscription loss...

You are a miner and enjoy mining. You want to mine the most ore possible. Back in the day the ultimate ship was the Hulk. But it is expensive. Maybe 150 million isk (I don't remember the exact numbers) but for a miner starting out that might mean tens of hours worth of mining.

So they spend the better part of a month finally saving up enough isk to buy that hulk. They go out and fly it all happy their hard work paid off.

Then suddenley on the day they first start to mine... Gank happens. The newbie miner is out of a ship and no isk to show for it. Sure the people who ganked him are concorded but doesn't help him get his isk back. The insurance (if he could have afforded it) doesn't even cover a fraction of the ship cost.

What is the logical thing to do for a logical person at this point? Well cause and effect shows him that if he spends time saving up for a hulk that he will simply lose it. The most reasonable thing for this miner to do at this point is to quit the game.

Why should he waste all that time only to lose his hard earned money?

At this point he cancels his subscription and goes plays Star Treak Online.

And many of you say "Good riddance! We didn't need that player!" but that means lost money for CCP, who as a business, must worry about how to pay the bills.

Sure this may not have happened in this exact scenario but how many of those hulks in hulkaggedon quit their subscription?

I'm sure some people kept going after their first hulk loss, but what about the second? Or third? Why keep playing after that point? It is logically in this regard that ganking must cause subscription losses of some sort.

If eve should be a place where everyone can enjoy level 4 mission running and nobody bothers anyone else, then what game should my friends and I be playing? Believe me when I tell you that we've looked, and there are no games that give us the gameplay we want. We came to eve because of what it allows us to do and stay because there are no better options.

To those saying that allowing this sort of gameplay is a bad business model, the term you're looking for is product differentiation. Let's look at this argument under a different lens. You say that McDonalds sells the most food and makes the most profit of any restaurant on the planet so all restaurants should be McDonalds. You wander into a largeish non-chain restaurant and demand a Big Mac, only to be informed that this is the sort of quiet, intimate place where you might take your wife for some high quality french food. You start losing your mind and screaming that's not how you run a business and you'll take your pants off and **** on the patrons until you receive a Big Mac.

I think you're just in the wrong restaurant.

The argument that you're making is that the only options are to quit or not quit. There is also the option where they get better at the game and don't lose a Hulk to suicide ganking because they tanked it, or mined aligned, or any of the dozens of suggestions put forth over the years to help avoid being suicide ganked.

And if you're bemoaning any loss of subscription, what value to do you put on people who never subscribed? Let's face it. From the traditional PvE standpoint, this game is ****. Mining is ******, missions are repetitive, and so on. People don't join for these things. One of the things that does prompt people to try EvE is stories of skullduggery, scams, and people outsmarting their enemies. Since you're talking about lost subs, how many subs would you lose (by not gaining them in the first place) by removing those things from the game?

I've just got this mental image of a 30 year old man stuck in a baby incubator complaining it's cramped and boring while a load of others are looking at him perplexed and wondering why he doesn't just come out of the incubator and come play paintball with them.

Some people just don't want to remove the training wheels I guess.

You mean... learn... and adapt? Impossible.

I mean think of it like this, when I run around in BF3 and get killed over and over by a guy in a tank, do I switch to the anti-tank weapon? God no! I demand DICE remove tanks of course! If they don't remove tanks the Battlefield franchise will DIE. DONT SAY I DIDNT WARN YOU, DICE!