EVE General Discussion

And yet again, rather than take responsibility for your own choices, you'd rather think the problem is me. This is not a good way to live ones life, but to each his own.

You choose to read this stuff, that's your fault, no one else's.

I don't know.

The truth of the matter EvE the game and its subsequent development will only be around if there are many subscriptions paying the bills.

So lets say there are 450,000 subscriptions and we'll just assume that everyone pays $14.95 per month to play (this is obviously not the case since Plex is actually more and some people pay less by paying yearly for their subscriptions. Also this in USD and no the Euro excludes taxes).

So the total CCP makes gross per month is $6,727,500

If 1% of players quite because of ganking then that is 4500 players which doesn't seem like a lot over all.

But that is $67,275 in lost revenue.

Thats more than a years worth for a computer programmer used to advance eve.

The numbers might even be higher depending (it might be lower as we don't have the numbers of ganks from CCP).

Now the question you have to ask is "Will more people quit EvE because they can't gank than quite because they are ganked?"
If the answer is more people will quit because they are ganked then obviously CCP is finacially obligated as a business to cut back on the possible ganking.

The best evidence to prove that CCP actually loses subscriptions (and money) due to ganking is simply the fact they buffed minging barges after hulkageddon.

If there was no finacial reason to buff the mining barges they would not have spent the resources (development, Q&A, and balancing) to actually have made the change.

In conclusion the truth of the matter is CCP is obligated as a business to reduce ganking and other activies that reduce subscriptions.

I predict this will happen whether you protest on the forums or not as the forums are only a fraction of the player base.

I suspect CCP knows that gankers will just play other forms of PvP when they nerf ganking in the future.

I think it is pretty obvious that CCP wants some level of ganking and non-consensual PvP in hi-sec.

The difference between CCP and the average "just want to blow stuff up" pilot, is that CCP sees it as acceptable when it's goal-oriented. Goals drive conflict and conflict keeps EVE alive. All playstyles.

Just blowing stuff up drives nothing. The people doing it either get bored or run out of stuff to blow up, since nobody sticks around to get blown up if there's no reason to stick around.

It happened to low-sec and it's slowly happening to null-sec. In the end, nobody wins.

It can't happen to hi-sec, hi-sec is the incubator in EVE. Blow it up and everything will eventually fade away.

That's why CCP is looking into hi-sec PvP. Looking for ways to add goals. Stuff like POCOs in hi-sec, better structure for war decs and transferable kill-rights.

They aren't looking to remove non-consensual PvP in hi-sec, but add structure and goals. Because FFA PvP with no goals has killed every single MMO that tried it.

You need to read more. I don't have a dog in this fight, check the killboard, see any dead haulers or mining ships? I don't mine or carebear. I do PVP support in fleets. You are reading what you want to read at this point. I am saying that CCP has to get over catering to griefing or we are going to be stuck roaming and playing grabasss on gates instead of pew pewing. I just don't think EVE revolves around griefing, if it does though and I am wrong it's days are numbered. You have to remember Anarchy Online is still up what 13 years later? EVE is only a year and a half older than wow. CCP wants some more benjamins and I don't blame them. They can do that without theme-parking.

If you would destroy a man, give him what he wants.

- Boulet.

it's not "the csm" that's in favor of themeparks it's trebor

How can a person squeeze so much wrong into one sentence lol.

EVE was created by some really psycho dudes to cater to a really psycho niche and they succeeded. Things that most of the MMO world would call griefing are called "Any weeknight" in EVE lol.

And yet EVE has survived when many games that were WAY harder on "griefing" died. That should tell you something, but I'm guessing it won't.

You've played this game that takes YEARS to understand for a month and feel confident enough to comment on it? That right there demonstrates a distinct lack of wisdom.

CCP don't cater to griefing. This is the 5th time I have had to correct you in this.

Thank you, Age of Conan tried this. Even Goons (goonheim I think) went there and said they were going to take over because they were uber people from EVE and heard about Age of Conans FFA PVP. They did well at first but they all ended up being corpse camped by everyone for hours just because of their name and then eventually packed up and left. It was fun, I would be fighting someone tooth and nail and a goon would show up and we would instantly become friends and jump the goon. People say they want free for all but they don't, they want to be the uber guy but that is mathematically impossible.

Rarely do people PVP in highsec without any particular goal.
The fact that loss is permanent in EVE means that any goal-free PVP is done at a smaller scale than it would otherwise, and any PVP where someone stands to lose in any significant fashion is generally motivated by something more concrete than a simple desire to go shoot things.