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Can't believe how many CSM/CCP employees want a theme park

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Mister S Burke
Doomheim
#121 - 2013-01-17 15:20:33 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:


Are you saying that you just started playing Eve a couple of months ago?! Just shut up if that's the case! Your opinion is like raw bacon, or cookies made without butter and sugar, or like someone who lives under a bridge and charges a toll. WTF that like thread griefing.


Oh did I forget to ask permission from some old fogey if I could speak. A thousand apologies his majesty. Get over yourself, no one could tell I was new until I said as much. I know you guys act like it takes years of study to even undock from a noob station but frankly this game isn't that hard. It is hard compared to other MMOs but let's face it, it is still just a video game. You old times act like it take a degree from MIT to even load a weapon on a ship.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#122 - 2013-01-17 15:20:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Minmatar Citizen160812
Increases and declines don't matter. Retention matters and is only possible in today's MMO market with a unique product getting regular GOOD expansions. I'd be hard pressed to name an MMO in full release right now that fits that criteria. Incursion is where EvE jumped the shark in my opinion. "WoW Raids in Space" is what I like to call that expansion.
Anslo
Scope Works
#123 - 2013-01-17 15:21:06 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Repetitive words from an extremist troll.

I thought you blocked me?
Anyway, your opinion to me is moot int his matter.

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Whitehound
#124 - 2013-01-17 15:21:10 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
...

If I ever leave then it is more likely because of all the drama Goons & Co. create. Reading here is almost like watching another episode of this vampire saga...

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Josef Djugashvilis
#125 - 2013-01-17 15:21:13 UTC
If a player cannot be ganked anywhere outside a station, then Eve is no longer Eve.

Hell, I have been ganked so fast, I was dead and pod-killed before I could even read the 'danger' messages on the screen.

Good for them.

Dealing with being ganked is an attitude of mind.

If you cannot deal with it, this is simply not the game for you.

Knowing you can be ganked anywhere any time is what makes Eve exciting.

This is not a signature.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#126 - 2013-01-17 15:22:35 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
What's good about EVE other than that the players are allowed the maximum possible freedom to interact with each other?


Many people don't want freedom, they want guaranteed positive outcomes (just like in real life lol). Most MMOs try to give them that, which is why most fail.


Do you remember how awesome Starwars galaxies was when becoming a Jedi was hard?
And a 10 vs 1 fight was fair because Jedi's were badass?

That was awesome, huge amounts of fun and when you met a Jedi it was all "ooooo, you're amazings"

Then they changed it so EVERYONE was a Jedi within 5mins of starting the game... and then subscriptions fell away.



Anything worth having is rarely easy to acquire and easy to acquire things are rarely worth having.
Mister S Burke
Doomheim
#127 - 2013-01-17 15:23:00 UTC
What I want to know is why EVE people can't stop talking about wow. Wow people have never even heard of EVE. I would wager many wow haters just could not get into a Naxx of ANQ 40 man guild.
Mister S Burke
Doomheim
#128 - 2013-01-17 15:24:46 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:


Hell, I have been ganked so fast, I was dead and pod-killed before I could even read the 'danger' messages on the screen.

Good for them.



Yeah right, like that was you're initial reaction. I bet you are just pleased ad punched when you get wacked.
NickyYo
modro
Northern Coalition.
#129 - 2013-01-17 15:32:25 UTC
This is Sony's doing, CCP should have never got into bed with them idiots.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#130 - 2013-01-17 15:32:50 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:


Hell, I have been ganked so fast, I was dead and pod-killed before I could even read the 'danger' messages on the screen.

Good for them.



Yeah right, like that was you're initial reaction. I bet you are just pleased ad punched when you get wacked.


My initial reaction was one of, "what the hell just happened?" it was so fast.

My only concern was the 30 jumps back in my clone to my local area. Local clones are a good idea.Smile

All the time I was flying back, I was thinking about how impressed I was by the pair that ganked me so quickly, and what skills would I need to do the same.

I even sent them an Eve-mail to say how impressed I was by the speed of the gank.

Remember, one cannot 'die' in Eve, one can only lose isk.

This is not a signature.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#131 - 2013-01-17 15:36:12 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:


Are you saying that you just started playing Eve a couple of months ago?! Just shut up if that's the case! Your opinion is like raw bacon, or cookies made without butter and sugar, or like someone who lives under a bridge and charges a toll. WTF that like thread griefing.


Oh did I forget to ask permission from some old fogey if I could speak. A thousand apologies his majesty. Get over yourself, no one could tell I was new until I said as much. I know you guys act like it takes years of study to even undock from a noob station but frankly this game isn't that hard. It is hard compared to other MMOs but let's face it, it is still just a video game. You old times act like it take a degree from MIT to even load a weapon on a ship.

You were given the benefit of the doubt, people here wanted to speak with you and to understand your position and reasoning on the assumption that you have spent some time in Eve and are a part of the community.

I am not an "old fogey" and in any case ones opinion here is not validated by age, rather by speaking with an understanding of the subject at hand, and by presenting your ideas in a clear and transparent format.

You absolutely don't need permission to speak here, this is Eve do what you want. But don't expect the mechanics of this place to forgive your misunderstanding.
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#132 - 2013-01-17 15:38:09 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:
Riedle wrote:
[quote=Mister S Burke]CCP do not agree with your flawed definition.

Conclusion: HTFU



Actually they do which is why this topic we are in even exists. CCP knows they can't keep letting the gankers run off new people and they know they have a mob of veteran fanatics to deal with. The choice is clear, throw the die hard old vets under the bus and cater to the new players. Why? The old vets will grumble and won't go to WOW, but the young people will go play a competitors game. Just ask the American republican party what happens when you let the die hard fringe elements fly the ship. Evolve or die.


Incorrect. The OP exists because the OP misread the CSM minutes to think that CCP wants a consequence free arrangement in highsec which is could not be further from the truth.

HTFU or GTFO
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#133 - 2013-01-17 15:39:15 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
...

If I ever leave then it is more likely because of all the drama Goons & Co. create. Reading here is almost like watching another episode of this vampire saga...


And yet you make the personal choice to continue do it.

Whats wrong with you, you do know you don't have to read stuff you don't like right?
Anslo
Scope Works
#134 - 2013-01-17 15:40:37 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
...

If I ever leave then it is more likely because of all the drama Goons & Co. create. Reading here is almost like watching another episode of this vampire saga...


And yet you make the personal choice to continue do it.

Whats wrong with you, you do know you don't have to read stuff you don't like right?


FYI, don't bother replying to Jenn here. They use their own close-minded world view as if it's law and that you MUST agree, or you're wrong and a "second class citizen."

Confirming Jenn aSide for first class troll.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#135 - 2013-01-17 15:43:42 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
What's good about EVE other than that the players are allowed the maximum possible freedom to interact with each other?


Many people don't want freedom, they want guaranteed positive outcomes (just like in real life lol). Most MMOs try to give them that, which is why most fail.


Do you remember how awesome Starwars galaxies was when becoming a Jedi was hard?
And a 10 vs 1 fight was fair because Jedi's were badass?

That was awesome, huge amounts of fun and when you met a Jedi it was all "ooooo, you're amazings"

Then they changed it so EVERYONE was a Jedi within 5mins of starting the game... and then subscriptions fell away.



Anything worth having is rarely easy to acquire and easy to acquire things are rarely worth having.


Spot on my blue tinted Simian friend (lol). And yet soooo many people ask for more and more and more not realizing they are turning the gold they have into dirt.
Whitehound
#136 - 2013-01-17 15:46:56 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
And yet ...

More drama. Go away.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Mister S Burke
Doomheim
#137 - 2013-01-17 15:47:08 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Mister S Burke wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:


Are you saying that you just started playing Eve a couple of months ago?! Just shut up if that's the case! Your opinion is like raw bacon, or cookies made without butter and sugar, or like someone who lives under a bridge and charges a toll. WTF that like thread griefing.


Oh did I forget to ask permission from some old fogey if I could speak. A thousand apologies his majesty. Get over yourself, no one could tell I was new until I said as much. I know you guys act like it takes years of study to even undock from a noob station but frankly this game isn't that hard. It is hard compared to other MMOs but let's face it, it is still just a video game. You old times act like it take a degree from MIT to even load a weapon on a ship.

You were given the benefit of the doubt, people here wanted to speak with you and to understand your position and reasoning on the assumption that you have spent some time in Eve and are a part of the community.

I am not an "old fogey" and in any case ones opinion here is not validated by age, rather by speaking with an understanding of the subject at hand, and by presenting your ideas in a clear and transparent format.

You absolutely don't need permission to speak here, this is Eve do what you want. But don't expect the mechanics of this place to forgive your misunderstanding.


People have been speaking with me and they have been civil, you however told me to "shut up." So congratulations on bringing incivility to the table but I will not respond in kind. Yes I am new which puts me in the perfect position to discuss the topic. I was on trial in December, I subbed. You guys can see subs but you don't see the many people who never subbed because of the "harsh cold, bs ganking from the ghost of gaming past". You all are too high up in your ivory towers to see what is going on. I saw that and I have that perspective to bring to the table. My voice is needed because there are too many ganker alts just crying over the potential loss of their victims.
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#138 - 2013-01-17 15:47:20 UTC
I’ve talked with a few carebears over the years and I have come to believe that they can’t PvP. Not because they don’t want to kill the griefers and gankers, but because they physically can’t do it. They freeze up at the keyboard when they get attacked.

Maybe if they were eased into it and trained they could get over that reflex, but it would take months or years to do.

It might be easier to give them a mechanic that they could prepare before combat, perhaps a castle building exercise of sorts. Let them hire NPC mercs in different types of ships and build a little npc fleet that they could preset some options for. So when they get attacked and freeze up the NPC’s will jump in and rep them and jam the attackers, giving the carebear a chance to warp out or perhaps even collect themselves enough to target the aggressor and actually shoot back.

Or maybe much longer locktimes across the board; the PvP community would adjust and it might allow the carebears time to react in a meaningful way. Or maybe just longer locktimes in highsec! Oh that’s a great idea, it would push some PvPers into low and null, reduce suicide ganking, and maybe give care-bears a chance to do something besides stare dumbly at the screen and pray for CONCORD to show up.

Whatever the solution I think it needs to look at why some people don’t PvP.
Riedle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#139 - 2013-01-17 15:48:05 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Mister S Burke wrote:
Wrong, I subbed in December and I am here to tell you it was in spite of the fact that some Thrasher srub suicide ganked my little ship and not because of it. I know at least 3 people who didn't sub because of that kind of BS. They uninstalled and went to another game and never looked back.


Then with all due respect ot them they're probably not the kind of people who were suited to play EVE Online anyway. EVE Online has never had the mass-market appeal of World of Warcraft and it has never needed or aimed for it. EVE Online is a game in which at any point, at any time after you click undock, you are in danger of losing your ship. It will experience success by continuing in that vein. If you're not prepared to deal with that, you should probably let your subscription lapse.


Yes, I just think there is a happy medium to get more people into the game as we all know it can take some time for it to "click". It can be hard enough to get around and get going then you add someone blowing up what little you have right at the start. I think things can be made more starter PVE friendly without turning anything into wow. WoW would be as small as EVE if you got stripped naked every time you died.



Confirmed, you want a consequence free game - this is not the game you are playing and it will not become that game.

With all due respect, you are subbed for a little over a month?
Perhaps you should consider adjusting to the decade old game you are playing rather than demand the decade old game conform to what your 30 day long view of what this game is or should be.

Really, you lost a thrasher - hardly a reason to cry about it and certainly not a reason for CCP to change a successful game.
You are just going to have to accept it.

Riedke
Mister S Burke
Doomheim
#140 - 2013-01-17 15:50:10 UTC
Riedle wrote:
[quote=Mister S Burke]

Incorrect. The OP exists because the OP misread the CSM minutes to think that CCP wants a consequence free arrangement in highsec which is could not be further from the truth.

HTFU or GTFO


No! No! Look at how THESE sheep entrails are arranged!! What does HTFU mean, I must confess I'm a closet nerd and deal with regular people on a daily basis.