Crime & Punishment

Truer words were never spoken.

Obviously no one expects a miner to be a PvPer, but, if you're flying a hulk already, then you should have no problem flying this and having almost 5 times the tank.

Skiff

Rigs:
2 x Medium Core defense field extender II

High Slot:
1 x Mod strip miner II with your crystal of choice (preferably T2 crystals)

Mids:
2x Invuln field II
1x EM ward field II
1x meta 4 shield extender
1 x Survey Scanner II
(if you don't care about wasting cycles, change the last 2 to something to make your tank bigger)

Lows:
1 x MLU II
1 x DCU II

Drones:
5 x Hobbie II
5 x Salvage drone

or 5 x Hammi IIs

Bigger ORE bay than hulk, almost the same pull, almost 90k HP without boosts of any sort (fleet or anything else) and that's on my armor toon.. my shield toon has 99k almost with same fit.

not "ungankable" by any stretch of the imagination, but it's survivability by far exceeds any other mining barge I can think of off the top of my head and if you're gonna get ganked in one, at least they'll have to work for it.

Just a thought.

o/
Celly

If you want to put bubbles in Highsec, you would get CONCORDed when you aggress an illegal target because they tried to initiate warp from inside your bubble. Admittedly, that would be pretty hilarious.

Aw it was lovely reading these posts.

I would like to first address the superhero link, that is a funny one, how can you call yourself superheros when you extort the "common citizen" for money, I can't say that I saw any of the superheros extorting the citizens they protect for money? Superheros go for the bad guys, in this case bots (don't give me that "and bot-aspirants", since we both know that is just an excuse) they don't extort the law abiding citizens of the respectful world (in eve the non bot users).

You call agent eunoli is very successful in her conversion and talk with blasters, yet there is no mention of her in kill-mails with any other of you pawns.

One person mentioned that they scouted some of your liberated systems and found a bot miners doing their thing freely, wonder how they escaped the "punishment" from the order, or were you just told that the area was clear and to move to another one which you did like good little pawns you are? (how cute)

Emperor Crash, can you really expect anything grown up and dignified from people that don't even realize they are nothing but tools being used so that their contractors can cash in some big profits. When did you see in any movie of minions being able to have a mature conversation?

Well yeah, they are disposable since some of them have already been retired and are not being used or are rarely used, some of the "agents" were inactive for months or years and they suddenly now jump back into action, if they were not used before they will become unused again after a short period of time.

Then do it. Vote with your "wallet" I'd love to see everyone who says this follow though to see actual numbers. It would be interesting I think.

I see you've added 'selective and dishonest quoting' to your repertoire of tricks, along with 'inane rambling' and 'failure to comprehend or provide good arguments'.

"If you have any proof for your claim that we are using disosable alts and biomass them after they reached a certain secstatus/reputation/whatever, please file a petition - as that would be against the EULA.

Well I guess you are the ones that fail at reading since I did write 1st and bolded it so people can see it 1st

He wrote some other things so don't take this out of context or as a sign of confession.

Silly minions.

Ah, of course, the popular "I didn't mean what I wrote/said/did" excuse. You sure are a special little someone.

RS

thanks for the fit, was thinking of skiff and appreciate the fit. Fly safe.

This is something i'd love to see change. They want to gank like this we should be able to defend in ways OTHER than running. Five dominix with sentry drones another long range battleships and a few frigates+cruisers and you'd see one very dead fleet.

This is why i CANT set up a hictor bubble by the way.

It was never my intention to be malicious in any way, it just happens to look that way because of whole post of his I only needed that part where he is talking about disposable alts being breach of EULA but then again I did go far enough not to confuse people and wrote in bold letters and added 3 dots before that sentence which also started with a lower case letter, and since I don't find eve players illiterate and unable to read properly concluded safely there won't be any misunderstandings. However so that there will be no chance of misunderstandings I will edit that post and put the whole quote in there.

I do not stoop down that low to change and ridicule the original quotes of the differ minded people like these minions do...



I have no need to taint myself in such manner.

Well for them taking money from a bot mining operation concrete proof is bit hard to get however I visited the "liberated" systems and I have to say bots are still there, good % of them are Russians, about 70 players per ice field in there and at tries to start convos only a couple answered not to mention that all the new order mining permit holders did not respond which I found very interesting. Well this was just my 1st random visit to see are there really some changes so didn't take any pictures but next time I will make sure I bring a camera.

Now for the disposable alts well when you check new order logistics corp and their kill mails you can immediately see that 2 names for now, Agent Tivianne and Gladius Codicis had kills and were involved into miner kills have not entered a single fight in 2013, but as time passes toons like this will rise in numbers as their usefulness disappears.