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60 sensor strength, permajammed by 1 falcon!
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saucy jackass
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-01-13 18:39:42 UTC
Just lost a Battleship on my daily solo roam. No big deal, but what is a big deal is how OP ECM is. Overheated eccm(And comp skills) giving me 60 magnometric sensor strength on a hyperion. PERMAJAMMED by a single falcon. I would have taken down 2-3 ships had the falcon not been there. Tanked them for several minutes while getting jammed cycle after cycle. Eventually my cap gave out and the day was won for them.

I look on my killmail and the last jam that landed was a minmatar jammer.....i was flying a hyperion with overheated ECCM! So screwed over with a Jammer not even matched to my race and overcoming overheated ECCM! This is way overpowered and needs to be changed...ECM needs a mechanics overhaul. The eve random number generator is too unreliable.
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
#2 - 2013-01-14 05:31:30 UTC
saucy jackass wrote:
Just lost a Battleship on my daily solo roam. No big deal, but what is a big deal is how OP ECM is. Overheated eccm(And comp skills) giving me 60 magnometric sensor strength on a hyperion. PERMAJAMMED by a single falcon. I would have taken down 2-3 ships had the falcon not been there. Tanked them for several minutes while getting jammed cycle after cycle. Eventually my cap gave out and the day was won for them.

I look on my killmail and the last jam that landed was a minmatar jammer.....i was flying a hyperion with overheated ECCM! So screwed over with a Jammer not even matched to my race and overcoming overheated ECCM! This is way overpowered and needs to be changed...ECM needs a mechanics overhaul. The eve random number generator is too unreliable.


base mag for a phase inverter II is 1.2
level V recon ships gives 150% bonus to this
level V signal dispersion gives 25% bonus to this
Overheating gives 20% bonus to this
Signal distortion amplifier II gives 20% chance to this

And that is for just the Phase Inverter II, an Ion field projector II would of given a base of 3.6 and a multispectral II would have a base of 2.4. Or you could do this with meta 1 (1,3 and 2 respectively). Any module would be getting those same bonuses. You are solo, you are the only target for a falcon which has 7 mid slots. Of course you are going to be near perma jammed.
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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-01-14 11:02:57 UTC
Super spikinator wrote:
saucy jackass wrote:
Just lost a Battleship on my daily solo roam. No big deal, but what is a big deal is how OP ECM is. Overheated eccm(And comp skills) giving me 60 magnometric sensor strength on a hyperion. PERMAJAMMED by a single falcon. I would have taken down 2-3 ships had the falcon not been there. Tanked them for several minutes while getting jammed cycle after cycle. Eventually my cap gave out and the day was won for them.

I look on my killmail and the last jam that landed was a minmatar jammer.....i was flying a hyperion with overheated ECCM! So screwed over with a Jammer not even matched to my race and overcoming overheated ECCM! This is way overpowered and needs to be changed...ECM needs a mechanics overhaul. The eve random number generator is too unreliable.


base mag for a phase inverter II is 1.2
level V recon ships gives 150% bonus to this
level V signal dispersion gives 25% bonus to this
Overheating gives 20% bonus to this
Signal distortion amplifier II gives 20% chance to this

And that is for just the Phase Inverter II, an Ion field projector II would of given a base of 3.6 and a multispectral II would have a base of 2.4. Or you could do this with meta 1 (1,3 and 2 respectively). Any module would be getting those same bonuses. You are solo, you are the only target for a falcon which has 7 mid slots. Of course you are going to be near perma jammed.



Lets assume the Falcon fit was 6 Jammers (4 race and 2 multi) there is still a chance that in the cycle the Minmatar could be the active one by chance. Most of the time you where likely jammed by one of the other 5 ECM's it just happen to be the one showing up on the KM.

In FW the strength of the opfor is normaly a lot less than 60 due to being frigs & crusiers. In a griffin the change of jamming is more like 50/50, so I think you where just unlucky. Next time don't fly alone..

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Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
#4 - 2013-01-17 12:13:33 UTC
tl;dr: I failed cause I didn't bring friends, blaming it on ECM.
Suitonia
Order of the Red Kestrel
#5 - 2013-01-19 02:58:50 UTC
ECM is a force multiplyer and it's designed in a terrible way and isn't subject to stacking penalty. Since a falcon is generally balanced around keeping 3-4 ships jammed, when you're the solo target even in an ECCM'd BS with only 1 racial of your sensor type on you, you are probably still going to be permajammed.

CCP knows it's broken and has promised us further changes/balancing in the future. Hopefully CCP fozzie will follow through with his promises. (See the Retribution EWAR changes thread).

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Shingorash
Stellar Defense Services
#6 - 2013-01-22 13:29:12 UTC
Ya Huei wrote:
tl;dr: I failed cause I didn't bring friends, blaming it on ECM.


Lots of people like to solo, myself included, should it be a requirement of the game that everyone must fly in a gang?

Stupid comment of the day, either that or poor attempted troll.
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
#7 - 2013-01-23 14:53:14 UTC
Shingorash wrote:
Ya Huei wrote:
tl;dr: I failed cause I didn't bring friends, blaming it on ECM.


Lots of people like to solo, myself included, should it be a requirement of the game that everyone must fly in a gang?

Stupid comment of the day, either that or poor attempted troll.


Let me spell it out for you...

His demise had NOTHING to do with ECM and everything with him being alone fighting a larger fleet.

you can solo all u like, just don't ***** and whine about it when u die to superior numbers. the ECM ship could just as well have been a logistics boat or another ewar vessel. the result would have been exactly the same. he dies and kills nothing.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#8 - 2013-01-28 03:59:43 UTC
It may be worth considering that I haven't seen a single gatecamp in the last six months that wasn't based around a Faclon, either alone or with friends. No other bubble ships even get used any more. That in itself should tell CCP that some balance issues exist.

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Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#9 - 2013-01-28 06:19:42 UTC
Shingorash wrote:
Ya Huei wrote:
tl;dr: I failed cause I didn't bring friends, blaming it on ECM.


Lots of people like to solo, myself included, should it be a requirement of the game that everyone must fly in a gang?

Stupid comment of the day, either that or poor attempted troll.


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