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Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#1 - 2013-01-17 09:40:07 UTC
So I've been thinking about this a while, and although it is beyond a logistical and diplomatic NIGHTMARE by orders of magnitude i can see it having some merit

inb4 it can't be done, you need to believe

"If you're quitting for the 3rd time you clearly ain't quitting" - Chribba
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-01-17 09:42:54 UTC
Didn't Chribba get a station and try something like this?
Or CVA?

but you're right, it's not going to work unless you do it in NPC 0.0

It won't work in regular 0.0 because no one's going to be happy with a station EVERYONE can dock at. It'd just turn into a perma camped station tbh.
Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#3 - 2013-01-17 09:44:47 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Didn't Chribba get a station and try something like this?
Or CVA?

but you're right, it's not going to work unless you do it in NPC 0.0

It won't work in regular 0.0 because no one's going to be happy with a station EVERYONE can dock at. It'd just turn into a perma camped station tbh.


i think the only way for it to work is for Chribba to do it, he's the only person i can think of that most people wouldn't go out of their way to smash it for lulz

"If you're quitting for the 3rd time you clearly ain't quitting" - Chribba
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#4 - 2013-01-17 09:47:24 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
So I've been thinking about this a while, and although it is beyond a logistical and diplomatic NIGHTMARE by orders of magnitude i can see it having some merit

inb4 it can't be done, you need to believe


We don't need to believe. You need to make the case that the benefits outweigh the "logistical and diplomatic NIGHTMARE".

Most NPC 0.0 areas have 'hubs' with a reasonably well stocked market, although nothing to compare with the main hi-sec hubs, of course.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#5 - 2013-01-17 09:51:47 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Zol Interbottom wrote:
So I've been thinking about this a while, and although it is beyond a logistical and diplomatic NIGHTMARE by orders of magnitude i can see it having some merit

inb4 it can't be done, you need to believe


We don't need to believe. You need to make the case that the benefits outweigh the "logistical and diplomatic NIGHTMARE".

Most NPC 0.0 areas have 'hubs' with a reasonably well stocked market, although nothing to compare with the main hi-sec hubs, of course.


if someone were to overcome the logistical and diplomatic nightmare then there would be a brand new hub to provide ships with cheap pew pew material, if there was a place where people weren't constantly blasting eachother i could see lots of people coming from high-sec to try and make their fortunes in null with a place they know wont explode into tiny peices and let them find a place to actually start out their adventure of the harshness of space

"If you're quitting for the 3rd time you clearly ain't quitting" - Chribba
Mhax Arthie
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-01-17 10:03:21 UTC
There are already many npc null space trade hubs where trading is very active and business is good for everyone involved in. In sov null space is no need for trade hubs as usually the alliances take care of their business by them self. Renters are a minority in sov null areas, so setting up a hub only for them is pointless.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-01-17 10:14:35 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
if there was a place where people weren't constantly blasting eachother


So highsec?

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Zol Interbottom
Blimp Requisition Services
#8 - 2013-01-17 10:16:23 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Zol Interbottom wrote:
if there was a place where people weren't constantly blasting eachother


So highsec?


sort of but in null

"If you're quitting for the 3rd time you clearly ain't quitting" - Chribba
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#9 - 2013-01-17 10:25:12 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
Didn't Chribba get a station and try something like this?
Or CVA?

but you're right, it's not going to work unless you do it in NPC 0.0

It won't work in regular 0.0 because no one's going to be happy with a station EVERYONE can dock at. It'd just turn into a perma camped station tbh.


i think the only way for it to work is for Chribba to do it, he's the only person i can think of that most people wouldn't go out of their way to smash it for lulz

9UY was open for almost a year anyway Smile

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Jayson Kassis
Carbon Industries
#10 - 2013-01-17 10:36:42 UTC
Make this happen CCP. Would be a great start in securing some order in high sec and keeping the vermin with delusions of grandeur where they belong. At least until they get bored and need new blood/tears to farm. Also, I would have an excuse to use my blockade runner.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#11 - 2013-01-17 10:39:31 UTC
Jayson Kassis wrote:
Make this happen CCP. Would be a great start in securing some order in high sec and keeping the vermin with delusions of grandeur where they belong. At least until they get bored and need new blood/tears to farm. Also, I would have an excuse to use my blockade runner.


What do you want CCP to do about it?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#12 - 2013-01-17 10:41:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcanis
Zol Interbottom wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
Zol Interbottom wrote:
if there was a place where people weren't constantly blasting eachother


So highsec?


sort of but in null


Hi, I'm having some problems configuring my overview to fliter out strangers who just want to swing by and buy their stuff. No matter what options I choose, if I make danerous hostile neutrals visible, the innocent shoppers keep on appearing as shootable too. How can I set my client to distinguish them?

Your help is much appreciated.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Skorpynekomimi
#13 - 2013-01-17 10:41:52 UTC
Really, what you'd need is NPC stations and highsec pockets in the middle of null, with the current status quo. Null resources and a bunch of stuff from highsec.

The issue with trade hubs in null is the serious lack of trit out there, after all.

Economic PVP
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-01-17 10:42:11 UTC
Jayson Kassis wrote:
Make this happen CCP. Would be a great start in securing some order in high sec and keeping the vermin with delusions of grandeur where they belong. At least until they get bored and need new blood/tears to farm. Also, I would have an excuse to use my blockade runner.


Completely missing what eve is there.

CCP have already given you the tools to do this and are not about to declare a trade hub.

Do you think that's how Jita started?
CCP just turned around one day and went "this system here is the games main trade hub"??
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-01-17 11:04:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
Zol Interbottom wrote:
if someone were to overcome the logistical and diplomatic nightmare then there would be a brand new hub to provide ships with cheap pew pew material, if there was a place where people weren't constantly blasting eachother i could see lots of people coming from high-sec to try and make their fortunes in null with a place they know wont explode into tiny peices and let them find a place to actually start out their adventure of the harshness of space

Null is big, and there is always an island of NPC null systems, you can always stock stuff in there, and it probably won't cause any nightmares. And yes, people do that, making some ISK in the process, it's just apparently amount of such risk-takers isn't enough to saturate anything.

Jayson Kassis wrote:
Also, I would have an excuse to use my blockade runner.

You already do have on, don't you? It's just a bit harder than open CAS/UOC chat and ask "What are trade hubs?" to find places people will look for supplies in.
As far as I can tell people don't make much fuss out of such small hubs so that at least lazy pirates won't go there hoping to intercept some goodies.

That said, you'd be better off with Jump Freighter than with Blockade runner, I think.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#16 - 2013-01-17 22:15:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Ptraci
Zol Interbottom wrote:
So I've been thinking about this a while, and although it is beyond a logistical and diplomatic NIGHTMARE by orders of magnitude i can see it having some merit

inb4 it can't be done, you need to believe


For that to happen the advantages of having a trade hub would have to far outweigh the advantages of camping it, flipping it, etc. The only way I see it happen is having a force guarding the system, surrounding systems, gates, undock, etc, 24/7. A force strong enough to deal with any opposition. So, where can we find a couple thousand players who have nothing better to do all day than sit around hoping someone breaks the "rules" of the trade system? I know I would not do that. I'd rather have fun.

It's not really that hard to have a cyno chain and jump your stuff to low sec. We already have a trade hub. It's called high sec.
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#17 - 2013-01-17 22:16:42 UTC
Imagine an Alliance does a trade hub for each of the NPC null.

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-01-17 22:26:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
VFK is a null trade hub, a rather large one at that.

In fact, all the large trade hubs outside of main high sec ones, happen to be located in null.


I don't really understand why, if you don't live in null, would you even want to go to null to buy anything. Everything would cost more due to the way manufacturing works.

Why would you come to null to buy stuff?
I might get it a little if there was actual stuff to do in the systems beyond what little consumable content is available, but there isn't really a heck of a lot fo ryou to do out here other than buy some stuff and then fly to NPC null or high sec with it.


It sounds like it would be a "cool" thing to do, but even if you removed the logistic and diplomacy barriers, there's simply no reason other than the novelty.
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#19 - 2013-01-18 01:04:29 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
So I've been thinking about this a while, and although it is beyond a logistical and diplomatic NIGHTMARE by orders of magnitude i can see it having some merit

inb4 it can't be done, you need to believe


Mate, 0.0 is completely safe. Safer than highsec tbh, a life of leisure and ease, filled with comforts where we bathe in isk. I read it on EVE-O, hundreds of NPC corp members told me so. No not believin

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-01-18 01:06:52 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
Zol Interbottom wrote:
So I've been thinking about this a while, and although it is beyond a logistical and diplomatic NIGHTMARE by orders of magnitude i can see it having some merit

inb4 it can't be done, you need to believe


Mate, 0.0 is completely safe. Safer than highsec tbh, a life of leisure and ease, filled with comforts where we bathe in isk. I read it on EVE-O, hundreds of NPC corp members told me so. No not believin

We also get daily isk deposits from the moon goo fairy.

It's ******* sweet.
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