Player Features and Ideas Discussion

1) Take all the ships that are targeting you, and rank them in order of how much total damage they have done to you in the last 10 seconds + what they WILL be doing to you on this tick. (the 10 second thing is due to the volley system in Eve) E.g.:
Ship #1 has/will deal 500 total damage to you
Ship #2 has/will deal 100 total damage to you
Ship #3 has/will deal 10 total damage to you
Ship #4 has/will deal 5 total damage to you

2) Nerf any damage done on THIS tick based on where the ship is on that list, with the nerfs getting higher as you progress, but asymptoting, getting higher by smaller amounts, and never being quite 100% e.g.:

Ship #1 deals full damage.
Ship #2 gets a 9% reduction in any damage dealt on the current tick.
Ship #4 gets a 16.5% reduction in any damage dealt on the current tick.
Ship #5 gets a 23% reduction in any damage dealt on the current tick.
Ship #6 gets a 28.5% reduction in any damage dealt on the current tick.
Ship #7 gets a 33% reduction in any damage dealt on the current tick.
Ship #8 gets a 37.5% reduction in any damage dealt on the current tick.
etc. (asymptoting toward 100)

Just example numbers, of course.

The same penalties would also apply to multiple redundant logistics ships targeting the same person.


Also, the penalties could be scaled based on ship size. With larger ships being punished more heavily than the above numbers for participating in gang-bangs on comparatively smaller ships than themselves, and with smaller penalties than those above when smaller ships gang-bang a comparatively larger ship than themselves.

• This DIScourages 40 ships from targeting the same guy, defensively or offensively, unless that guy is much larger than them (like a titan).
• This ENcourages small gangs that concentrate fire from 2-3 or so ships at a time only, as well as a higher proportion of logistics and ewar etc. that can tip the scales without adding on to the same stacking penalties.
• This does not completely make bloblike "let's all shoot that one guy!" tactics obsolete. They still might be the easiest thing to do if you have a huge numbers advantage and are too lazy to worry about proper tactics. It just punishes them and makes them impractical for any fights that are near to being evenly matched at all.
• You're still more likely to win a fight if you have more ships than the other guy. But instead of being almost entirely just "who is the bigger kid on the playground," this would become a less important factor, and creativity/tactics/organization would become a comparatively much more important factor.
• This doesn't really nerf suicide ganks very much, because generally, when you suicide gank in a large team, you use much smaller ships than your target (for example, BC's targeting a freighter), and thus would see much smaller penalties than the baseline amounts.
• I think this would make it harder to steal somebody's killmail, if I am right about how the calculations work. Minor side benefit.

I'd rather see more mechanics like bombs. Bombs do crazy things like blow up other bombs - and you if you're too close.

-Liang

Ed: Also, line of sight mechanics would probably also be pretty snazzy on this front. :)

I would really like low sec bombs

Bombs, or AOE ship popping wouldn't really address the issue.

The main problem is not that a bunch of ships form a physically tight cluster... The problem is that the FC just calls out a single target, and 30 people shoot it at once so it insta-pops, then they call out the next one, etc., which
A) makes for boring-ass tactics,since it works best if everybody has the exact same sort of generic min/maxed ship for doing that one thing, and
B) Makes the winner basically just whoever brought the most ships.

AOE won't fix that, because the tactic works the same way regardless of whether the blob is in a tight cluster, or spread out, or in a sphere surrounding you, or in a triangle, or anything else, as long as theyre in targeting range.


All it would accomplish is to make them more careful to try to get the rough bulk of their blob close to overlapping with all of your ships, such that you'd blow your own stuff up than theirs if you shot at them.

This isnt true at all. This would make positioning everyone of extreme importance and would drastically increase the tactics for any given fight.

you dont want to make it useless for someone to bring another ship, especially through some arbitrary damage scaling mechanic that makes no sense.

What you want to do is make the FC have to work to properly utilize his people and not just get massacred. AOE would do this. Even if they just buffed the speed of a bomb to 6000 m/s and nerfed its flight time to 5 seconds, This would have a massive effect on fleet tactics and composition because right now you can basically warp anywhere and have your fleet align and be out before the bomb hits, that would not be the case with a 5 second delay instead of 10.

How would you as an FC call a warp in with super effective bombs on the field? you would have to say something like "everyone spread out in random directions" then youd have a group of people flying the same way, some flying into each other, some not paying attention, some still asking who the anchor is etc.

You dont want to artificially limit the amount of benefit another player is, you want to increase the amount of work each player is on the fleet to provide a benefit.

This!

this mechanic is also one that can give small entities the power to face bigger blobs.

a 10 man naga gang / nado gang can defeat a 20+ armaggedon fleet thanks to that, having the possibility to land 1 or 2 big shots before the ennemy logi can do anything.

there are already tactics to counter an averwhelming fleet in the game.

i think this change would just weaken those tactis, and this is not good because then, it would just be a matter of how many pilots each side can bring

there are already efficient anti blob tactics, maybe you have not found them yet?

agreed

I must say, you're one of the kings of bad ideas. I'm throwing rocks from my glass house, yes, but your line of sight tactic and this one ( both linked i see) are horrible ideas that will only slow servers down, not change anything. There will still be blobs, but they'll be blobs of small gangs. There will still be anchors, there will still be logi. They'll be more seperated, but still there. Logi in large fleets still rep people not in their fleets, due to out of game voice chats and in game logistics channels.

Both of your proposals add much more server strain, and when the server strains, tidi ramps up. This brings both sides more chance to bring more ships in, and make that problem worse. It also has the flavor of ro-sham-bo "you kick me in the nuts as hard as you can, then i kick you in the nuts as hard as i can." Theres gun cycling time involved here. You're giving huge penalties to rapid cycling guns, and rewarding massive alpha, which has very slow cycling, but massive single hits. This is because you're basing it on server tick.

Now, if you respond with "oh it works only when you're guns are on auto cycle", well, thats easily solved, isn't it. take them off auto cycle, and the team a hitting team b with rapid cycling low hit damage dps will have it drop extremely fast(dps) compared to the "head shot" alpha slow cycling gun.

Now for your ship size argument. Theres already mechanics in place for small ships to take less damage: Sig radius and angular momentum, plus weapon ranges. Now you're giving them even greater survivability, and better damage chances against larger targets that already have a hard time getting dps on them. This will only make large blogs of small ships, as people continually try to one down each other.

Logistics? They're already the real elite of the fleet, and in smaller hulls than the BS's so right there your "smaller hulls don't count with my awesome nerf plans" argument is negated for BS fleets. They'll maintain their massive EHP.

Stealing killmails? Well guy that hits first will have the greatest chance, but everyone that fired a shot, whether it scored damage or not appears on that mail. "oh well they can fix that" holds no water with me, because we have yet to see logi love on the killboards. I go logi almost excluesively, and i want that love, and have for quite some time, but it hasn't happened yet. I hear all the time that there might be, but hasn't happened yet. Fix your idea of actually causing damage to get on the KM? probably even further down the list.

Focus your idea of tactics on shiptypes and fits, not on rediculous massive overhauls that would break the game by slowing it down to unplayability, massive amounts of extra code that would take incredibly long periods of time to de-bug.

You want gameplay over realism still? Then why do you have your LOS server breaking idea?

You want to improve gameplay you still say, well isn't that a democratic thing? Would't the blob slightly outvote you on that too?