Player Features and Ideas Discussion

What happens if the misiles were not OP, and neither was the ship that used them, What happens if CCP simply decided to go in another direction with the ship.. Say like, Instead the rattler being a Drone torp boat, they turned it into a Blaster Boat? (Which isn't to far a stretch considering some of the new changes comming in the next 2-3 patches and expansions, they in fact are going to revamp all the battleships).

Or

A new player puts his SP everywhere because the new player tutorials are insufficient at explaining why you need to be careful when you train. Most players starting the game will assume there is a way to respec since every other game out there has one. So they are playing around with the skills testing stuff out and then realize a month or two later when they figure out what they want to do in Eve, that they can't change anything or fix their mistakes.

And out of frustration, they quit Eve. And many new players do exactly that because of this reason.

Or

Vets who have spent years with SP they never use because they simply do not do those activities as it is not something they enjoy, Such as a PvP vet with mining skills who hasn't mined in 5 years, There is very little real possibility he or she will ever use those skills again, and therefore they are wasted on his character.

I know a ton of vets like that.


* We need to provide a way to retain Older players interest.
* we need a system which is noob friendly and which makes the learning curve a little less steep in order to retain new players rather then scare them off.
* We need a system which does not punish individuals for game changing "edits" to ships, items, weapons, and all aspects of Eve governed by the skill system.

This Skill remap solves all of those Issues.

Even if you are against it for the reason of Nerf complaint, Surely you can support it for these other reasons. No system is ever perfect, however "a" system of "some sort "is needed to fix these issues.

1. You Assume that people "Will" do this. It's an Assumption and can neither be proven, nor given credence as anything other then such. Personally I have more faith in people then you do. Most of the people who play this game are mature adults, not little children who need to have decisions made for them.

2. Alright so once again, your Opinion, And Eve is not like any other game, So I would say it would be a bit of a reach to make the assertion you do. But that like yours, is simply my opinion.

3. There is no Guarantee that it wont improve the game either. Nor is there any real evidence. Just peoples Opinions.

Improvement to a game is not always improvement for an individual. Sometimes the best decision for the whole is detrimental to the individual. I can name several of CCPs changes to Eve that Irk me to no end and make my Life in Eve more difficult, However, they were the best decisions for the game as a Whole. Just as I believe that this is as well.

You can never make everyone happy. But you can implement a system which is beneficial to both Vets and New players and which will decrease the learning difficulty for new players while simultaneously allowing the rest of Eve to benefit as well, without interfering with the "main" game itself.

4. So say people do as you say and switch there skills continuously once every year, So what? People switch their attributes once every year and this effects Skills in a MASSIVE way. Taking up to 6 months of training off your Que if you spec right.

This is actually a larger change then what I am currently suggesting, as what I am suggesting does not effect the speed at which you learn skills, it only allows you to redistribute them.

Yea, spot on tbh. But it is fun to read.

Actually you should do some research CCP refunds SP all the time for changes they make. But the only time you notice is if you actually have the skills they modify, and thus receive the SP for it.

Newer players or players with less then 50 mil SP may never notice any of these, but those of us with 60-70-80-90-100+ SP Notice it a lot.

In 10 years I have logged in no less then 20 (albeit on different chars with different skill sets) times and seen SP reallocation Available on my skill page with the Number of SP I can reallocate.

So no, it isn't a "One time thing" it is an ongoing process, and people reallocate SP every day/week/month/year.

But you never notice it do you? It's made obvious by your post there that you don't. So this alone is enough evidence to say this proposal will not effect the game in general, and definitely not break it.

And yet, strangely enough CCP now uses multiple micro transactions For Plex and account services concerning the PLEX.

Do you even read the patch notes? It happens all the time. The rattler wasn't always a drone boat when it was first introduced it was an entirely different ship. With different bonuses and a different weapon system. Its why I mentioned it as an example.

It is not the only ship they have done this with over the years either, Hell look at the recent desi changes compared to those in the past. And the frigate revamp as well. Perfect examples.

CCP does in fact do this ALL THE TIME.

Nuff said.

I could screenshot Rorina's skill page if you like, she currently has 4,000,000+ SP that she just received in the last 6 months. I haven't spent it yet. So it is still listed in green as relocatable (and honestly I have no idea where it came from or what skills they modified but it had to be something industrial as that is all shes trained in) Would you like me to do that?

Yea that free SP on the test server is great, but we're talking about tranquillity here.

My point even though sarcastic, was that a screen shot proves nothing. People still have SP redeemed from the learning skills.

What would be proof, is a patch note or blog. If you could provide some, showing the 20 or more times in the past 10 years, that would be great.

They did it with social skill revamp/agent division consolidation too. 21 divisions became 4 and the corresponding connections skills were reduced from 7 to 3 with the SP from those 7 skills getting refunded. Doesn't change your point in any way, since it was another case of removed skills getting refunded, but just pointing it out to be precise.