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Dev blog: CSM meeting minutes are out

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Talin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2013-01-17 03:21:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Talin
Greetings to CCP and CSM,

I want to congratulate you one what seems to be a very successful gathering. You both seem to have hashed something to be relished. The new direction sounds promising and the new Custodian's of the EVE Universe seem to have a good grasp on what they want and perhaps what we want.

However in the course document I became extremely discourage. Perhaps I didn't read enough or didn't comprehend everything that was said, but from the nature of the minutes it seems that the idea of Modular POS's has been side lined if not completely scraped by the development team.

The idea's given to us several months ago were a beautiful reminder to me of the awe and potential of EVE. The honest truth is I've always wanted to have a little section of EVE that was distinctly my own. Something the current system of POS's does not provide to someone who by accountability terms for EVE would be considered a "Lurker". While I know it's possible open a Starbase in the current system. The thing purposed to the CSM's and the inadvertently the rest of the player base was exactly what I've always wanted. I've always wanted a home floating around the Planet of my choosing, so I could claim a little section of High sec for myself. I even have a little planetary Orbit I've picked out already.

Under the plans described to CSM back before the beginning of the new year I was excited and began actively playing again. Now the ball has been yanked out again, and a potentially great feature was taken away with no argument or consideration for what could become a very viable aspect of EVE if it was nurtured. Rather it was casually swept under the rug because it would be to constraining to impalement. Because it would effect to few players. Well if you had chosen to look into expanding the versatility and desire would undoubtedly increase. I know I would be making a new home in space.

The new Dev blogs even more outrageously continued to list POS's as part of the changes potential changes. While I know it was stated that it might not reflect the final list. They then cold handedly rip any continued idea of the aforementioned Modular POS's out because they don't THINK it will effect enough of us.

Well, it would have affected me if you had chosen to do it. I would have been ready to dumb hundreds of millions of ISK or probably hundreds of dollars in Real cash to make my little space home in EVE a reality.

For the futures sake CCP, and CSM's I hope you reconsider this course of action.

Thank you for listening, It's time I go back to lurking.

-Tal
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#62 - 2013-01-17 03:52:36 UTC
I have to chip in on the POS side as well. I'm put off from even looking into POS'es currently due to the nightmare they seem to be, I don't want to go trying to learn about them in Low to start with, and I can't do them in high without making a solo corp and grinding standings. And that means I have to leave my corp mates and go play solo, which isn't what I want to do either.
A much improved system where I don't have to carefully place 10000 things in space is needed.
Orisa Medeem
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2013-01-17 04:06:14 UTC
Quote:
Soundwave added that the alliance structure as it exists today
needs to be reworked. It doesn't exist the same way a corporation in Eve does and he noticed it became
very difficult to talk about resources and infrastructure without dealing with alliances as an in-game
construct.


Guys, if you are going to touch this code then expand the scope just a bit and change the definition of alliance:
An entity with one holding corporation and an acyclical list of member corporations and/or alliances.

This would be a simple solution for people asking for coalitions to be implemented. Right now the game is very rigid on how groups of people should organize themselves. I think they should have more freedom in this regard.

:sand:  over  :awesome:

Flamespar
WarRavens
#64 - 2013-01-17 04:12:37 UTC
The have been pages and pages of support for avatar gameplay. Why was it not discussed at the summit?

If only to say to CCP "lots of players want to see meaningful avatar gameplay, can you update us on its status?"
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#65 - 2013-01-17 04:43:30 UTC
I have only had the chance to read specific sections of the minutes so far, but would like to take a moment to give thanks.

Thank you CCP. So far from what I have read there is vast evidence you do indeed play the game, take player feed back and give great consideration towards ideas we come up with. I am looking forward to 2013 playing EVE with great interest.

Thank you CSM. These minutes have a very, very nice turn around from the time of the summit to the time they are released for us players to consume. I know this in due to CCP as well, but I genuinely appreciate the timely manner. Also thank you for representing the player base instead of only focusing on personal agendas only like we have seen in the past. Granted I would not be opposed to more communication on the forum, it is evident you have been busy working.

To those member(s) of the CSM who basically contribute nothing: I will do my best to make sure your dead weight is known during the upcoming elections if you choose to run again.
Kuseka Adama
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2013-01-17 05:49:29 UTC

  1. Goons laid out the agenda in a previous thread which has since been locked
  2. High-sec continues to be bashed discredited and otherwise trashed
  3. Pos Revamp canceled to prevent Nullsec from losing their stranglehold on Just about everything including the rampant inflation
  4. no talk about Walking in Stations, direct interaction with dust 514 staff, and a number of other issues.
  5. no talk about the removal of titans or ending the CFC circlejerk.


Yeah. Pretty much what i should have expected. Dont think i'm gonna buy that plex next month. For damned sure i'm not gonna buy a sub to this game at the moment.

Continue shitting on high sec and people are gonna just leave. This game hit near 60k recently may have even broken that. Wonder what it'll feel like when the new players will be forced to start in null because there wont be a damned thing for sale in any station. Glad i bought borderlands 2 instead of plexes. Defintely getting my money's worth there. When a council like this is clearly so beholden to one sector of the game at the expense of all others...*sigh*
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2013-01-17 05:50:15 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Thank you CCP. So far from what I have read there is vast evidence you do indeed play the game, take player feed back and give great consideration towards ideas we come up with. I am looking forward to 2013 playing EVE with great interest.

Are we even reading the same thing?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2013-01-17 05:54:38 UTC
Kuseka Adama wrote:
Goons laid out the agenda in a previous thread which has since been locked

And which thread would that be?

Kuseka Adama wrote:
High-sec continues to be bashed discredited and otherwise trashed

You're joking, right? Highsec has gotten the most treatment in the past several expansions out of all the regions of space.

Kuseka Adama wrote:
Pos Revamp canceled to prevent Nullsec from losing their stranglehold on Just about everything including the rampant inflation

Yeah, because nullsec players aren't at all affected by inflation and because POS revamp isn't something we also want.

Kuseka Adama wrote:
no talk about Walking in Stations, direct interaction with dust 514 staff, and a number of other issues.

WiS isn't meaningful gameplay and thus should not be given priority.

Kuseka Adama wrote:
no talk about the removal of titans or ending the CFC circlejerk.

Why should CCP do this for you? Why can't you do it yourself?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Ryuu Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#69 - 2013-01-17 06:07:15 UTC
Thank you CCP for at least looking into a temporary solution for Black Ops (be that its only a quick one) but can you at least look into increasing the ehp as well?

As for the POS issue although it saddens me I can't make a little kingdom for myself to park my things I do understand from a business point that focusing most of the effort on the null issue isn't viable for growth and may even hinder as we saw with Incarna WiS expansion.

Personally fixing the issue bit by bit all through the year sounds better than nothing being done at all until,say 2020....

_**Noob **_isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.

  • Sun Tzu
Winthorp
#70 - 2013-01-17 06:09:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Winthorp
You promised us POS revamps at the last fanfest and again at last CSM summit now all that has been pissed away because you feel we are not enough of a player base to spend the time on. We have long been patient on this issue this affects the whole WH community day to day as well as HS industry, LS research and industry and Nullsec living in the far reaches.

At the very least the pos security issues need to be addressed in the short term to make small corporations have viable safe options to recruit and grow, this only needs to be personal ship storage. In the Med term we deserve a well overhauled system to allow greater flexibility with modular POS design.

You say its business breaking to do POS revamp, we say its business breaking to ignore us yet again.

Take a look

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=194625
Dar Saleem
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2013-01-17 06:26:36 UTC
Lets see tell you are going to do stuff, but then back peddle.

new contract system, to tough and we get the small part of it with bounties
tech fix, to tough (or goons say no)
POS to difficult.

Sure there must be others
SegaPhoenix
Chicks on Speed
Reeloaded.
#72 - 2013-01-17 07:06:03 UTC
Thanks CCP and CSM for these minutes! I understand you guys can't do everything at once and people will cry about anything so try not to feel too discouraged by some of these posts. I am looking forward to 2013 =)
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#73 - 2013-01-17 07:11:35 UTC
Quote:
Fozzie replied that after the farming nerf, enrollment was
down 10-15% (mostly farmers leaving), but has been creeping up again, except for Caldari which has
some demoralization issues. Soundwave noted that overall, things are stable, and Fozzie added that last
week was the 3rd most active week in terms of PvP.


caldari do have demoralization issues because of DEVs who ****** up situation in FW but that is not a reason why caladri is not creeping up again, reason is that there is no point to be on caldari side because rewards suck and you can do lot of more isk on gallente side. You can not really recruit players for role play reasons when other side recruits for big isk.

Caldari sure could take systems and change better income to caldari side, but why to do so when you can instantly make big isk on gallente side without any effort.

Current FW is worst version of FW ever.
Frying Doom
#74 - 2013-01-17 07:28:56 UTC
POS are sorely in need of attention.

A new corp ideology is a great idea, shame you broke it on day 1.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#75 - 2013-01-17 08:14:00 UTC
Bah, I want the old CCP back. The one that wasn't afraid of anything, who not only dreamt but also boldly did.
And now it's hiding behind phrases like, POS revamp is too big or it only affects small groups.

It's sad to see that the previous CSM minutes where just ink on paper.

POS management is a disaster and corp management pure hell. Yet CCP is too afraid to fix it, even in small steps.


In short, I'm very disappointed. Maybe time to vote with my wallet after 5 years.
Adal Kon
Doomheim
#76 - 2013-01-17 08:21:07 UTC
I am very dissapointed about CCP not trying to fix the POS and corp managment.
At its current state its a mess, and bringing in new ppl into a wh needs 2 POS's and alot of managment.

Cmon CCP, dont be a bunch of ¤%"#"/!
Flamespar
WarRavens
#77 - 2013-01-17 08:37:06 UTC
I thought they were talking about making POSs scalable from suiting the needs of solo players, al the way up to massive corporations.

If they did it right, it would be something that heaps of players would want. But at the moment few do, mainly because of the current system is suicide inducing.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#78 - 2013-01-17 09:03:19 UTC
Ines Tegator wrote:
So much talk about sov space, nothing about high/low/NPC null. Before you start worrying so much about nullsec stuff, wouldn't it be a good idea to look at the High>Low>Null progression first? So that more people, you know, have a reason to care about nullsec features? That'd be nice.


No they will not ... they believe they doing it right .... there is no complex view on low sec .... just hit/miss/fixand repeat strategy.


Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#79 - 2013-01-17 09:11:51 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Quote:
Fozzie replied that after the farming nerf, enrollment was
down 10-15% (mostly farmers leaving), but has been creeping up again, except for Caldari which has
some demoralization issues. Soundwave noted that overall, things are stable, and Fozzie added that last
week was the 3rd most active week in terms of PvP.


caldari do have demoralization issues because of DEVs who ****** up situation in FW but that is not a reason why caladri is not creeping up again, reason is that there is no point to be on caldari side because rewards suck and you can do lot of more isk on gallente side. You can not really recruit players for role play reasons when other side recruits for big isk.

Caldari sure could take systems and change better income to caldari side, but why to do so when you can instantly make big isk on gallente side without any effort.

Current FW is worst version of FW ever.



Do high five to Fozzie ... he is doing his job ... pretty good. Lets see how public this issue will go, was recently contacted by some outside MMO media about little **** in CCP. :)
Dennie Fleetfoot
DUST University
#80 - 2013-01-17 09:17:43 UTC
Disappointing that Dust 514 hasn't made the minutes.

I know about the NDA but still. Currently 500.000 mercs created for Dust, even with 3 per PS3 account that's nearly 100,000 players just in the closed beta. We'd like to know more about the Eve/Dust link.

Perhaps come the 22nd after it goes open we'll get the rest of the minutes?

CEO Dust University

CPM 1&2 Member

www.twitter.com/DennieFleetfoot