Player Features and Ideas Discussion

my sentiments exactly. ur ship has been nerfed, but it has not ****** everything up. it has made it more balanced. HTFU and get over it \o/

ships get nerfed, it happens. this char was an indy pilot for over a year and then i had to train him to PvP because of incoming decs. do u know what ship i decided to train him into first? yeah, the cane. i knew it was the best ship for my needs and even referred it to others as an 'all in one package', cause it is. it was no surprise to me that it got nerfed. luckily i have other options if i need them (though i will probably still fly a cane because it still looks stronger for hi-sec wars than the rest)

i have a lot to gain from a skill respec, (a **** ton of indy SP's i dnt use anymore), but at least i realise how respecs would screw the game up. and i can admit to myself why i trained for a specific ship in the first place.

Believe it or not! All ships in the game can fulfill a variety of versatile roles except maybe the E-War and Logistical boats. Because of this, each ship does not have a "Designation". Until the re-balance which has given them a role of sorts, they can still be used in a multitude of ways.

Obviously you have not read this long tortuous thread. Here's a hint - just look for Tippia's posts destroying the OP's persistent typewritten diarrhea. This has been suggested by stupid people that don't understand the value of the game design multiple times over many years. Tippia and others are there to shoot it down with logic each time. More importantly the devs have stated this will not be done, and was not even hinted at as a possibility at the height of their Incarna lunacy. So,

~ gas thread lock op ~

Well, CCP also said years ago that they didn't want to introduce microtransactions into Eve because it would break immersion and the very concept and foundation of Eve.



Then they introduced the Plex program which was a direct contradiction of statements like that.


So, it's safe to say that many things CCP has said don't mean sh!t.


CCP said they were happy with learning skills...That changed.

CCP said the drake was balanced as an individual ship, but much like any other ship was powerful in blobs...that changed


CCP at one point in time said they were happy with the current design of the tengu...that changed.

CCP said they were happy with the current balance of all missile systems...that changed

CCP said that hybrids seemed fine.. That was two hybrid buffs ago.


CCP has been saying things like that for years and many of those things have later been contradicted.

Remember when they said the Nex store was going to include vanity items for ships as well as characters?

Well, where's my custom skin colors and/or custom markers? Or anthing that could go on my ship for that matter?

I trained for the tengu because I saw it as the most efficient missile boat for running lvl 4 missions.

With the nerf to heavy missiles and probable nerf to the tengu directly, this is no longer the case.

Sure, I can fly many other ships... Golem, navy raven, nightmare(though to replace the tengu), maxed out exhumers, maxed basilisk, manticore, blah blah blah, the list goes on.

But the point still is that I trained for the tengu specifically because of its high efficiency in lvl 4 missions.

This is no longer the case, and will probably get worse.

This means the tengu is no longer what I trained for and is thus useless to me.

Sure, there may be players that will continue to use it for missions, and they'll be other players that will use it as their pvp boat.

However, I had one intended purpose. High efficiency missionining. Withtout the high efficiency that I trained for, I no longer need that SP for that ship because I will not use it ever again(unless of course it gets buffed back to or higher efficiency).

So, yeah, nerfing and rebalancing happens, but when it nullifies the very reason for me training for that ship, then I should be given that SP to place into other skills that I probably would have put it into had CCP balanced the ship right the first time.

Refunding sp from removing learning skills was a one time deal and does not qualify as "countless times"

read, think about what you just read...read it again, think again...

Sleep on it....read it again, think with all your might, then comment.

I was not refurring to SP related changes.

I am referring to times that they have said they weren't going to do something or something was in good shape, or that they weren't going to do something, only to turn around and do/undo the very thing they said they were/weren't going to do.

Except when I stated that ccp had said they were not going to remove learning skills and they did.

I'm also fairly certain they said the destroyer and bc skills were not going to be made racial, yet that is about to happen.

Ccp has a bad habit when it comes to contradicting themselves.

For microtransactions they reaped a whirlwind of protest. It was a fundamental change to the game design that would break it. The same would happen with sp reallocation. And that would induce a similar reaction among the player base. Because it would be the end of EVE for all the reasons you've chosen not to read and address.

As for the rest of your list, rebalancing changes are not in the same league and are not good examples with which to try and support your position. **** in the game gets nerfed and buffed all the time. Also, you fail to note that the people responsible for balancing in the game changed (and for the better).

The mechanics are even changed from time to time on specific weapon systems (missiles, etc) and modules (ECM, prop modules, tackle modules) but something as fundamental to the base of how eve works such as the skill system has not been changed. Even with the removal of racial attribute differences and removal of the learning skills there was not a change such as what the op and many before him have suggested to no avail. Reread Tippia's first few posts itt. It's all there as to why it will destroy eve and is not even floated by anyone from CCP. if you look past your selfish desire to hop into an all level 5 skill set for whatever ship it is that you think is all that, maybe you will understand. But I doubt you can.

Just train like the rest of us. Because farther down the line more stuff is going to change, and you will wish you hadn't slegehammered your skillsheet.