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Prixm Wind
Reversing Entropy.
Gimme Da Loot
#1 - 2013-01-16 15:24:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Prixm Wind
So I am coming back to eve after a few years, and decided to start making some isk by doing missions. I'm rather new to missions as I spent most of my time in eve doing pvp. I have been trying to do some research as to what ships to fly, and seeing as most of the information is outdated because of the recent patch changes, I figured this would be the best place to ask.

1. I have around 400m to spend so keep that in mind. As of right now it seems either the Domi (which I would need to train still) or the Gila (which I have sufficient skills to fly well already) seem to be the best bet. Also seeing as there are spare high slots in the Gila, that would allow me to salvage as well, which I am interested in doing. I am unsure which one to pursue, and I am also open to other ship options as well.

2. Are drone boats even viable with the new changes? I hear a lot of people saying they are not, but some saying they are. I hear sentries are the way to go now but if that can be confirmed that would be great. Most of my skills are located in Drones/Turrets.

3. Kind of off topic, but as of now I am grinding standings with corps in the Gallente region, is that a good place to do lvl 4's or is there better isk profit elsewhere?

Thanks in advance, and I am open to all ideas/ships.
Leetha Layne
#2 - 2013-01-16 16:23:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Leetha Layne
Drone boats are fine. I use both a Gila and a Navy Domi. Gila is more mobile. Domi with guns puts out more DPS. With the advent of MJD, Domi is now capable of kiting ad nauseum.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-01-16 16:32:06 UTC
IMO sentries have always been the way to go for drone PVE. A sentry drone setup with 2 Omni's will blap just about anything. As an example, when I have run Damsel before, I'd warp in at range (like 70KM) and never used anything from sentries. They would one shot frigates before they got anywhere near me. Gardes would even 2 shot the spider drones.

I haven't tried heavies since the changes, but I never liked them anyhow. Too slow.
Scrwloose
A Lite in the Darkness
#4 - 2013-01-16 16:56:46 UTC
I can also attest to the new AI not being that much of a problem for drones if you're paying attention. I fly a Drone boat and the sentries are my main DPS. Just stay close and scoop them for a few seconds when they get aggro, and don't bother with heavy drones, as they are too slow and will pop if they get aggroed more than 5k from you.

I set a shortcut key to "return to dronebay" to help keep them alive.

Keep a couple of flights of lights around for frigs that do manage to wander in too close, but again, don't let them get more than a couple seconds flight time away in case they get aggro. I don't think I've deployed my hammerheads since the patch, but I keep them around just in case.
Anneliese Pollard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-01-16 16:59:02 UTC
Have used a Domi, Navy Domi, Rattlesnake, and now a Gila.

I really like the Gila. Its more maneuverable, can fit 10 sentries, 5 heavies, and 5 lights, and I can mission in other places with no problem. I fit exp/therm ammo, as that hits most NPCs on their primary or secondary, and exp/therm drones (I keep some in the cargo bay in case I need to switch).

With the other ships, you could do the same, but you will lose maneuverability.

In terms of DPS, I find that the navy domi has more on paper, but its not totally obvious in missions.

The Gila, in my experience, is also much cheaper to fit, although 400m is cutting it close. Also missiles are very important for that fit, but you might have fitting issues and have to go to meta 4s.
Prixm Wind
Reversing Entropy.
Gimme Da Loot
#6 - 2013-01-16 18:23:15 UTC
Thank you all for your fast replies. So definitely leaning towards going with the Gila, can anyone link me a good fit? or give me some numbers for how much dps/tank i should be looking to get out of it?
Thanks again.
Anneliese Pollard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-01-16 18:39:24 UTC
Prixm Wind wrote:
Thank you all for your fast replies. So definitely leaning towards going with the Gila, can anyone link me a good fit? or give me some numbers for how much dps/tank i should be looking to get out of it?
Thanks again.


eve.battlclinic.com

Check the loadouts page.

Lookup a Gila, inferno and greater (older versions will link older, possibly unkept fits).

Typically you see people fit passive shield on a Gila with a faction AB, and 1 to 2 omnis.
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-01-16 18:47:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Freighdee Katt
Prixm Wind wrote:
Thank you all for your fast replies. So definitely leaning towards going with the Gila, can anyone link me a good fit? or give me some numbers for how much dps/tank i should be looking to get out of it?
Thanks again.

The drone ships are "viable" still, they're just slower and more annoying.

I would recommend the Gila since it works every bit as well as the Domi and is faster to get around in. It does cost a bit more, but no more than a Navy Domi anyway. You might want to go with Rapid Light Missile Launchers rather than guns in the highs, because they'll give you a last line of defense against elite frigates if you burn through all your light drones. The hull is bonused for missiles, so they make more sense than guns, assuming you have any missile skills at all.

The fit I just threw together and ran L3s with the other day was 4x Drone Damage Amplifier IIs in the lows, a Large Ancillary Shield Booster + 2x mission specific hardeners + Experimental 10MN Afterburner I in the mids, and 3x Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher in the highs. Rigs are 1x Thermal and 2x EM Screen Reinforcer to balance out the shield resists. It should be cap stable if you have support skills that don't suck. Just think of the ASB as a cap-free pulsed large shield booster; with high resists and as long as you keep moving, it should tank anything you need to with ease. I can't remember the DPS numbers off hand, but with maxed out drone skills it's a lot.

Load up the cargo bay with Cap Booster 150s and 1,000 of each missile type, throw on hardeners as needed, and enjoy. Don't forget to jetcan one unit of something and hit orbit when you enter a room. If you use sentries, you can orbit one of them, although you will probably have to pull them in every few minutes to keep them from getting killed.

EvE is supposed to suck.  Wait . . . what was the question?
Leetha Layne
#9 - 2013-01-16 20:00:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Leetha Layne
I don't know this felllow but Gila's can't use guns. And that is a crap build. Sorry. HMs are best on a Gila. Your drone lights should be handling frigs.

And, a Domi with guns will way out-damage a Gila. I fly both.


Here is a low cost T1 Gila passive build:

[Gila, Mescalito import 1]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Explosive Deflection Field I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x4
Warden I x4
Federation Navy Garde x3
Republic Fleet Bouncer x5


Once you get confident, throw some DDAs in the lows.
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-01-16 21:33:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Freighdee Katt
Leetha Layne wrote:
HMs are best on a Gila. Your drone lights should be handling frigs.

Have fun when the elite frigates eat all your hobs and you have nothing left to kill the scrams off with. The missile damage with three launchers is trivial against large targets anyway, and the range makes HMs useless beside your drones since the big nerf. You'd get more use out of tractors and salvagers.

And no AB = no speed tank, which is the entire point of taking a cruiser into an L3 to start with.

EvE is supposed to suck.  Wait . . . what was the question?
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2013-01-16 23:31:09 UTC
Just curios why you don't use what you have already trained for as you said you need to train for domi and have sufficient skills for a gila.
Prixm Wind
Reversing Entropy.
Gimme Da Loot
#12 - 2013-01-17 00:14:33 UTC
Cage Man wrote:
Just curios why you don't use what you have already trained for as you said you need to train for domi and have sufficient skills for a gila.


Next time maybe take time to read the thread, I already stated I was wanting to go for the Gila, my main question was if it was still viable in lvl 4's anymore, and if there was a better alternative.

After reading what everyone has said, I came up with a pretty good passive tank fit in eft that matches my skills and will be giving it a try tonight, thanks again for everyone's input and help I really appreciate it.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2013-01-17 01:27:31 UTC
Prixm Wind wrote:
Cage Man wrote:
Just curios why you don't use what you have already trained for as you said you need to train for domi and have sufficient skills for a gila.


Next time maybe take time to read the thread, I already stated I was wanting to go for the Gila, my main question was if it was still viable in lvl 4's anymore, and if there was a better alternative.

After reading what everyone has said, I came up with a pretty good passive tank fit in eft that matches my skills and will be giving it a try tonight, thanks again for everyone's input and help I really appreciate it.


I did .. you said "As of right now it seems either the Domi (which I would need to train still) or the Gila (which I have sufficient skills to fly well already) seem to be the best bet."


Doesn't say what you best skilled to use. Was trying to see if there was something better suited for your skills.. but no matter.. you got what you wanted form the post.
Richard Stallmanu Stallmania
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-01-17 19:52:15 UTC
Leetha Layne wrote:
I don't know this felllow but Gila's can't use guns. And that is a crap build. Sorry. HMs are best on a Gila. Your drone lights should be handling frigs.

And, a Domi with guns will way out-damage a Gila. I fly both.


Here is a low cost T1 Gila passive build:

[Gila, Mescalito import 1]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Explosive Deflection Field I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x4
Warden I x4
Federation Navy Garde x3
Republic Fleet Bouncer x5


Once you get confident, throw some DDAs in the lows.

Terribad fit is terribad.

Meta 0? On a pirate cruiser? You have to be kidding me.

3-4 of each drone type? Seriously?


Here's a non-trash fit I used on an alt to do missions.

[Gila]

[High Slots]
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Drone Link Augmentor I
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I

[Med Slots]
Gist C-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Gist C-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Gist C-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

[Low Slots]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Drone Damage Amplifier II

[Rigs]
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Problem is, the Gila has terrible cap, so active tank is a no-go, and with a passive tank, the cap is even worse, so the faction/deadspace mods to reduce cap use make a huge difference. With this fit, simply keep range and let your light drones massacre tacklers and dessies. Then switch to ogres and burn closer to the BS with the AB on to make them unable to track you. Use the NOS to keep your AB on. You want to be close to your drones because of the new OP AI change.

Alternatively, if your skills are good enough, a passive tanked Rattlesnake does slightly more damage and is a lot more forgiving.
Leetha Layne
#15 - 2013-01-17 23:39:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Leetha Layne
Freighdee Katt wrote:
Leetha Layne wrote:
HMs are best on a Gila. Your drone lights should be handling frigs.

Have fun when the elite frigates eat all your hobs and you have nothing left to kill the scrams off with. The missile damage with three launchers is trivial against large targets anyway, and the range makes HMs useless beside your drones since the big nerf. You'd get more use out of tractors and salvagers.

And no AB = no speed tank, which is the entire point of taking a cruiser into an L3 to start with.




I guess the hundreds of missions I have done with the build were just luck. Oh I forgot...... new AI make EVE too scawy and hawd now.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2013-01-18 00:09:07 UTC
Richard Stallmanu Stallmania wrote:
Leetha Layne wrote:
I don't know this felllow but Gila's can't use guns. And that is a crap build. Sorry. HMs are best on a Gila. Your drone lights should be handling frigs.

And, a Domi with guns will way out-damage a Gila. I fly both.


Here is a low cost T1 Gila passive build:

[Gila, Mescalito import 1]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Explosive Deflection Field I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x4
Warden I x4
Federation Navy Garde x3
Republic Fleet Bouncer x5


Once you get confident, throw some DDAs in the lows.

Terribad fit is terribad.

Meta 0? On a pirate cruiser? You have to be kidding me.

3-4 of each drone type? Seriously?


Here's a non-trash fit I used on an alt to do missions.

[Gila]

[High Slots]
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II
Drone Link Augmentor I
Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I

[Med Slots]
Gist C-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Gist C-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Gist C-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner

[Low Slots]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Drone Damage Amplifier II

[Rigs]
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Problem is, the Gila has terrible cap, so active tank is a no-go, and with a passive tank, the cap is even worse, so the faction/deadspace mods to reduce cap use make a huge difference. With this fit, simply keep range and let your light drones massacre tacklers and dessies. Then switch to ogres and burn closer to the BS with the AB on to make them unable to track you. Use the NOS to keep your AB on. You want to be close to your drones because of the new OP AI change.

Alternatively, if your skills are good enough, a passive tanked Rattlesnake does slightly more damage and is a lot more forgiving.


This is not a passive tank, a passive tank will have amps and not field's
Richard Stallmanu Stallmania
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-01-18 03:07:13 UTC
Cage Man wrote:
Richard Stallmanu Stallmania wrote:
Leetha Layne wrote:
I don't know this felllow but Gila's can't use guns. And that is a crap build. Sorry. HMs are best on a Gila. Your drone lights should be handling frigs.

And, a Domi with guns will way out-damage a Gila. I fly both.


Here is a low cost T1 Gila passive build:

[Gila, Mescalito import 1]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Explosive Deflection Field I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x4
Warden I x4
Federation Navy Garde x3
Republic Fleet Bouncer x5


Once you get confident, throw some DDAs in the lows.

Solid advice from an active Gila user.


Advice from eft-warrior with 0-real application.

Good luck on that bro. Don't need passive hardeners to have passive shield regen. 0/10 troll, please go back to CFC forums.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-01-18 07:37:02 UTC
Prixm Wind wrote:
2. Are drone boats even viable with the new changes?


Only if you have good sentry skills.

It's not impossible to use standard drones, but it's more annoying then fun, and don't expect to break any isk/hr records.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-01-18 07:42:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
Richard Stallmanu Stallmania wrote:
Good luck on that bro. Don't need passive hardeners to have passive shield regen. 0/10 troll, please go back to CFC forums.

Passive hardeners are typically used because passive tank is mostly for sites with heavy neuting. If you don't face one (like in all the missions tbh), passive tanking is rarely worth it.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Rengerel en Distel
#20 - 2013-01-18 14:46:15 UTC
When i think passive, i think no booster/repper. Active would be booster/repper. The cap usage of the modules i don't think changes that.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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