Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Bots OCR better than the average near-sighted Eve geek.

The reason botting is so much easier in Eve than other games, and less detectable, is because Eve is Spreadsheet Online.

Eve-style mining is not a task fit for live humans anyway. Just turn mining into an automated function like manufacturing, and all the botting problems will go away.

Mining job - runtime: 12 hours, cost: 50 mil isk, yield: xxx system dependent

Isk sink for Eve's economy, bots disappear.

Kusum Fawn:

7.) " - Character/account sales outside of CCP jurisdiction is a violation of the EULA, and TOS, shutting them down has little to do with in game bots. as they happen out of game. " <--- that statement is true, but I said NOTHING about account sales, this is about ISK farming botters Reselling PLEX and ruining the game for REAL miners by cleaning out an asteroid belt before anyone gets a chance to mine! You get a -1 for not reading BEFORE you post. (Please note that I already understand that other (REAL) miners/corps will do that too but it's hard to compete with a tireless bot who doesn't have to use the restroom, eat, do anything else that real life players might have to do [Please also not that real life players might also have to run errends or do something else that is important and might be logged out or be left sitting in station for several hours while botters wipe a system clean of asteroids!])

8.) "When a game has a free to play component its anti bot measures must be more stringent, but that does not mean that every anti bot measure employed by Runescape has and corollary or utility to the eve programming setup. " I understand this, games and their developers are different. I did not state anywhere that CCP should use the same ones or that runescape's anti-bots even work! I was simply pointing out that a crap company like jagex had made better attempts than CCP. Unfortunately that brings us to the current rating and you are again -1 for not reading BEFORE you post rawrness at me. For those of you whom cannot count, this brings Kusum Fawn to a total of -2

9.) You really don't like to read before you post do you?
"4. This already happens. there is a team that does this now in EVE."
The goal is to "Free up" those employees for more important things than watching people mine to see if they are botting. Again, -1 for not reading BEFORE you post something. Total: -3

10.) "5. I am not familiar with how Blizzard works its micro transactions, but i doubt that that would do anything for practical mining or anti bot software. " Again, I said nothing about their anti-bot software because honestly it sucks! I was trying to explain that a lot can happen when you have those extra employees who can do something MORE IMPORTANT than bot watching (Thus supporting my freviour statement in my original post) like content writing etc etc. Again, you are -1 for not reading BEFORE posting (Anyone else noticing a trend?) Total : -4

11.) ""I'm sorry but mining for 10-20m/hour is killing this game."
"I'm pretty sure we'd all be better off if ores were worth mining."
wut?"
It's pretty self explanatory but I'll bite: Say one ore is worth 20isk per unit, if you get rid of the botter and just say (Made up numbers) the price goes up to say 25isk per unit. It would do 2 things. You ready for this? 1: It would make mining more worth the boringness. 2: It would attract more miners! (More miners = more indy = more indy = more pve/pvp = better eve economy YAY EVE Economy!) I really think you should go back and read BEFORE posting because yet again you are -1 bringing you to a total of -5

12.) ""I think massive PVP fleets shouldn't have a problem having a battle that lasts less than the 2-3 hour window"
You have never been in a CTA fleet. TiDi popups? wonderful."
I'm not really big on pvp so I'll take your word for it. You're still at -5 though.

13.) "Where are the indy guys getting their minerals to build stuff?"
Did you really just ask that? -1
Total: -6
14.) "you think there are enough people who want to mine nonafk/fight popups to fulfill the demand for minerals?"
Yes, most of my previous statements have included some sort of explanation involving (less botters = more miners)
-1 Total: -7

Add in a means for valid warfare efforts to disrupt an enemies economy, and you might have it.

Even if it means the miners are now sitting in PvP ships, ratting maybe, while standing guard over their automated mining ships.

I see that fostering more PvP, as well as making mining more interesting to fight over, if not participate in.

As I always point out whenever it is mentioned, I am a miner.

<<< Those goggles keep the dust outta my eyes during the exhumer cycles....

Alex:
That is interesting, I didn't know that. Then again I skimmed through the EULA and figured I'd learn more as I went.

-1 to Me for "Not reading first" as I had put it.

Something I thought would be annoyingly realistic would be akin to a game warden coming up to you while you're fishing or in a stand hunting, and asking to see your license. It'd be feasible to have a random sweep of belts in system by Concord, with a pop-up asking pilots to "show their license", something that would require player interaction of some sort, beyond just clicking a button. The higher the sec of the system, the more frequent the stops by the police.

If the Concord officer doesn't get the proper human feedback in a set amount of time, he is forced to assume the ship's AI has gone all "rogue drone" and must be destroyed.

It wouldn't eliminate botting, but would hamper them some. As boring as mining gets, the occasional "you got a license to be mining here?" popup would be more a diversion than an annoyance.

That's because I wouldn't do it.

Inkarr Hashur:
Are you against stopping botters or against a pop-up? I'm interested in learning why you wouldn't do it and what exactly you mean by "It".




Sabre: +2 (Reading FIRST, then posting +Posting something helpful!)

Nikk: +2 (Reading FIRST, then posting +Posting something helpful!)

Roannon: +2 (Reading FIRST, then posting +Posting something helpful!)


Kusum Fawn: -7 (This person doesn't like to read BEFORE posting angriness at people)

There's no such thing as a popup that a bot can't answer. There's no action you can take in EVE that a bot can't reproduce. There's no behavior in EVE that a bot can't emulate. The only decent way to detect botters is examining the processes running on someone's machine, as any decent bot program will be able to emulate any actions of a sentient person at his keyboard. And even this gives some false positives, false positives being something thing CCP wants to do its best to avoid.

Also people simply AFK mine without botting programs. There's nothing inherently wrong with it, as it exposes them to ganking risks and mining is low-reward per time anyway. You shouldn't punish people for wanting to just afk mine.

Edit: I've seen a youtube video of a battleground in WoW filled with bots, just running around engaging in mindless and aimless combat with each other, sending out almost-sensical messages in chat, with just a single sentient player in it watching them. It was creepy stuff. Creepy in that you could almost believe they were real people.

-1 for thinking anyone actually cares about you rating people