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Nour Aerilon
Inhumanum Legionis
#1 - 2013-01-16 18:20:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Nour Aerilon
I was wondering, is it possible to suicide gank a DST with decent tank for profit if it's carrying cargo for 300-400 mil divided in multiple stacks?

Lets say 55k ish, afk EHP. Lets also assume that droprate would be 50%. (.5-.6 space)
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#2 - 2013-01-16 18:59:04 UTC
Tornados

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Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Nour Aerilon
Inhumanum Legionis
#3 - 2013-01-16 19:28:08 UTC
Really? I don't see how. Seems like more that 2 gankfit Tornados would make this particular gank to much of a gamble. Even with 2 of them, incase u succede, will be lucky to break even.

I dont really have any experiance with this. just that my first thought is thats its impossible unless u really get lucky with them drops.
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-01-16 20:49:09 UTC
What you're asking is a basic math problem:

DPS of suicide gank boat x seconds until CONCORD responds = Total Damage per ship

EHP of target ship/ Total Damage per ship = Number of ships required

Number of ships required x Price of ship = Cost of gank

(Cargo of victim x 0.5)+salvage of victim = reward of gank

Reward of Gank - Cost of Gank = Profit

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Nour Aerilon
Inhumanum Legionis
#5 - 2013-01-16 21:39:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Nour Aerilon
Indeed its a mathproblem. Still there is some unknowns.

For one, aint DPS irrelevant? I mean, aint it all about alpha in the case of Tornados. The resulting dps done may not reflect dps at all.
I really dont see how this should be a math problem. Atleast not something I need pen and paper for. Some quick scribbling in my head tells me that a tornado with 1000 DPS (Lets say that the number of cycles accuratly reflect DPS) need 55 seconds assuming the target sits on a whooping 0% resistance. Me not knowing concord reaction times at .5 I can only assume that that tornade just wont be able to sit there for 55 seconds.
I also feel that I can safely assume that 2 wont make it either even without resists. Now bring 50% res in untanked layer and 68% in tanked layer into the equation. Ppl is still trying to gank me in HS (even though they failed so far), am I missing something or are they just stupid.

Still 2 tornados for one occator with 300-400 mil cargo shouldnt be worth anyones time :P... even if successful.

Like I said, am I missing something?
ALUCARD 1208
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#6 - 2013-01-16 22:11:53 UTC
yes most gankings done with around 6 ppl catalysts and brutix are great for it they chew thru frirghters like butter so an occator should be no problem.... look up miniluv on google for ideas

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Nour Aerilon
Inhumanum Legionis
#7 - 2013-01-16 22:20:42 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
yes most gankings done with around 6 ppl catalysts and brutix are great for it they chew thru frirghters like butter so an occator should be no problem.... look up miniluv on google for ideas


6 catalysts or brutix on Freighter gank in HS? really?
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2013-01-17 00:56:34 UTC
I have no idea re destroyers but have been giving this little corner of eve some play lately, using tornadoes.

Two nados = no problems alpha-killing blinged out tengu. IIRC our alpha is in the 10-11k range per ship. So I’d be surprised if you’d need more than a single nado for alpha-popping a blockade runner. I’m not sure that your 55k tank has a lot of meaning here – but am far from expert in such matters - it seems to me that the buffer and passive resists are going to be the main factors contributing to gank survivability.

Our replacement nado, straight out of the general market in nearby Jita, were 100 – 120M apiece.
So a single nado ganking a 300-400M isk carrying blockade runner, with a 50% drop, is gonna be touch-and-go for medium-term profitability. Whether it’s in the black or the red is gonna depend on a bundle of factors including the variation in the value of the actual cargo, variation in the drop, and the possibility that you will not get to pickup every drop (poachers).
If that blockade runner requires two nado for the gank then you’re not looking at a highly profitable scenario.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-01-17 08:02:00 UTC
Yeah, it's actually not a dps calculation. It's volley damage multiplied by the number of volleys you'll get off. You can find the concord response time on the eve wiki (iirc) and several other places if you google it.

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2013-01-17 11:09:15 UTC
Talos and cata's go nom nom nom on freighters.

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Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#11 - 2013-01-17 11:12:27 UTC
Nour Aerilon wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
yes most gankings done with around 6 ppl catalysts and brutix are great for it they chew thru frirghters like butter so an occator should be no problem.... look up miniluv on google for ideas


6 catalysts or brutix on Freighter gank in HS? really?


You should know better than to read alucard's posts, really...
Nour Aerilon
Inhumanum Legionis
#12 - 2013-01-17 12:40:55 UTC
From this Im gonna assume that if I get ganked, it's from ppl who just dont know how to make a fast count on cargo vs probable tank. Or from ppl who mistakes my DST for a Blockade runner (which will be followed by a lolprovocative mail from me) or just dont know what they are doing and finds out the hard way, that they just lost alot of isk taking me down.

Lots of ifs and from previous gank attempts I must say that I dont really have much faith in some HS gankers thinking abilities (sadly it might cost me some iskies)