EVE General Discussion

Let me correct. CCP was not involved in any discussion where I told you what you said. You also did not mention CCP. You said "I" put arbitrary limiters in place. I'll use complete quotes for posterity since you are accusing me of "twisting" your words.




And this is not in regards to being 100 vs 300 or vs 1000 or anything like that. It comes down to larger alliances (whether through diplomatic brotherhood or asshattery or whatever reason) from "infinite" amount of space away being able to hotdrop X amount of their own ships, making the original fight insignificant other than a massacre.

People don't like losing, and while they might not mind it so much, people do indeed want a "good fight".

To assume otherwise is keeping the blinders on.

Diplomacy is an aspect, but it shouldn't be the only aspect. The way null is being handled now wouldn't be equated to NATO or anything in present day. It would be medieval england. As much as an empire should be about growth and expansion, you can't grow too big too fast without affecting the rest of the "world" and right now with current game mechanics, that cannot be changed without some sort of radical augmentation.

Which is what the origination of "nerf power projection" is about.

You want to build an empire? awesome. I don't think the combat aspect of the game quite simply allows that from what you have also been saying (and many others) about how important it is to have large scale fights. We should be in a sea of feudal baroncies to maximize "fun".

Diplomacy should be crowd control, not doling out spoils of war.

Ok we are starting to go around in circles. I just explained how the Goons (your corp) treated null like lowsec. Take the blinders off.

I also explained I am not in a single corp trying to make it out in null. We have a null base, a low sec base and a highsec base. I am quite ok with what roles I perform in each sector. I am also quite observant of what goes on from player created content, as well as how "ccp wants it".

It's not "crying" if alot of people want to see changes made to null, which oh yes, could in fact increase their own chances to make a difference! Oh my!

Your high horse stance is quickly making me think you really don't care about the community at all, only what your role is in it since you seem more concerned with arguing for argument sake since you don't seem to do anything but either attack or defend.

You're same diplomatic view is skewed by your need for pvp, be it ingame or on the forums.

It has now degenerated into hijacking the thread in regards to getting blobbed by a bunch of other people who wish to chime in (myself included at times in an effort to learn and be inquisitive) where the thread itself has become the same said effect we are arguing about ingame.

I think, as stated before, that null should be more feudal. In that, like James said, roams, fights, supercap fights etc are fun. Sure. I'm down with that. I also do not think null should be one entire empire. I don't think it should be rome. I don't think the playerbase could support that.

That would quite simply come down to one group dominating the game. At the end of the day, I do not care who is in what corp or alliance. We are all players playing a game with our own agendas.

It's easy for me to split the difference between pilot and player. For some others it is not. At any rate I digress.

Power projection I think is truly detrimental to the game in regards to what null should be in regards to being wartorn and in turmoil and in chaos. If you want diplomacy, you need the struggles and the drama to make that happen.

Otherwise you do indeed risk a steamroll and thats when you said so yourself, CCP will intervene.

If we were indeed meant to be one "empire" we wouldn't have titans in the first place. Or any other supercap. Like mentioned, Goons started making their force before those ships were in existence.

Then why make the threads you post in about you? I have a similiar experience since I don't even use a jump clone. I physically fly from high/low to Stain a few times a week, going through Test space for quite a few jumps. There's usually only 2 areas I have trouble in. 1 of them is in Test (usually a bubble in middle of an empoty system sometimes a small frig there) and Gondista that usually has a gate camp (depends if I go from Dodixie area or from Schoorasana).

That journy is no shorter than 58 jumps from point a to point b. It definitely takes awhile. I've lost most than 5 ships in one day. Even in null. I have also used a small little crucifier to plague 2 snipers in pos fights and still have the ship.

Getting blown up is only a baptism nothing else =P. Any rate, regardless if JF/Titans or any other ship used to help with not having to manually fly each system gets changed, they will still be used.

The argument seems like it's being treated as removal which isn't the case. In freighting this conversation has no bearing, since it would only add more jumps.

In regards to combat.. well... that's the rub. We have 2 very different sides. 1 being its good because it caters to the lazy (less effort, more fun?), and the other being "good fights". I understand you might not have been in much combat since 2005 and taken breaks and all that. But if we are speaking in terms of cap ship combat... well... whats the point? Sounds like you are deeply esconced in your empire and therefore have a very different role than more than 85% of all nullseccers. Which is fine. It's your game too.

But it also sounds like you aren't in a position where titans affect you anyways. So we can either focus on the logistic aspect which is what this thread is in regards to, or carry over the combat thread that started the mittani post which resulted in this thread.

Regardless, I would rather see more diplomacy in this game, and you yourself did say earlier that you'd rather entice people on the forums to come find you and shoot you, so this is where I find myself at odds with your posts, you tend to doubletalk and it's confusing.

The problem is coalitions lol.

Why build them? Why worry about their usage? Why bother with this thread at all then? If having them is enough, the rest shouldn't matter to use "little guys".

Why would you need to have all those tech moons and sov space and need industry at all? Why bother attacking another area in hopes of killing a station that's building a titan or a supercap? Who cares if they have it if they are unwilling to use it? Why does the word "proliferation" exist?

Noone cares who has a red button to push. People care about those who have pushed it before. They are the threat.

I get where you're coming from. You're in a corpse cannon corp (unintentional tongue twister) that has thrived on frig warfare.

But it's not just Goons. Other people have them, and other people use them. Sov space doesn't have to be "taken" to prove that. Just go to your mittani.com and read some "supercap" articles. You'll see. Don't need an outsider to tell you that =P.

EXACTLY!

Some people do not seem to understand this, and keep trying to aspouse this ida that they're being used to actually fight, and they are not.


Their existance is a problem for some. People have them, and if you **** with them they'll use them agasint you.

The funny thing is, they probably wont!



The only people who are being kept out of null sec because of supercaps, force projection, and jump drives, are the people who think they can't get in because those things exist.

Those people who base actions off of what's really happening, have no problem coming to null because they know they aren't being used in the capacity that some people think they are.

The fact that they don't get used to actually fight for space is why they are proliferating. They aren't being put in a position to be shot at enough. And it's the structure grind (a sov mechanic) that is keeping them out of the fights.

It's easier to ignore this and make up a problem that doesn't actually exist.

Structure grinding.
The sov mechanic that makes you grind structures makes it neccesary to build supers for the purposse of grinding structures. The more supers you have the fast you grind the structure, so you're encouraged to build more supers to grind structures faster.

There's a really ****** cycle there, that people keep asking to get fixed.

Who uses supers to fight smaller forces? Show us the instances of this happening please.

Murk is writing this crap in other threads:


Pretty telling agenda you go there buddy.

You've got no problem with force projection or jump drives at all. Nah, you think null needs to be removed altogether.

Gotcha.

Since I did not attest to the fact and only went off your low count of words to troll, I'll leave you to it. Since I did indeed quote in my reply, I'd think you'd try to be better than that.

As you aren't being a part of the solution, it's apparent you are a part of the problem.

"Good to know".

Well, even if he is a fellow barbie lover I'm not giving him a pass.