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Windows 8 uninstall

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Doc Severiide
Doomheim
#81 - 2013-01-15 21:22:37 UTC
Kno Smo wrote:
You guys know, that XP will not be aupported anymore? It will not get any security updates at all?

It's funny, when ppl complain about a simple change in the UI (the start screen works like the start button in Win7 but has more features)... but to go back to that old stupid system instead of Windows 7... seems to be a grandpa who can't adapt to anything new, lol :D

Seems to be? Why? You seem to be a condecending prick...

It's pretty simple. The guy WANTS to install XP and is asking for help to get it done but 90% of the responses are just to make fun of him and tell him he really wants something else. Frankly his only mistake is asking here for help except for the few who actually tried to help him...
What the hell is the difference to anyone what he does with his time???
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#82 - 2013-01-15 21:33:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Cipher Jones wrote:
Andski wrote:
try a 3 year old OS like windows 7 rather than an 11 year old dinosaur


vista, 7, and 8 are the same OS.


no they're not, not at all

vista, 7 and 8 are "the same OS" as much as NT 4, win2k and XP

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Gerald Taric
NEO DYNAMICS
#83 - 2013-01-15 21:44:54 UTC
Doc Severiide wrote:
The guy WANTS to install XP and is asking for help to get it done but 90% of the responses are just to make fun of him and tell him he really wants something else. Frankly his only mistake is asking here for help except for the few who actually tried to help him...

Well, if the computers BIOS does now allow to boot from other sources than from hard drive by hitting F8, then it's very likely being diabled in BIOS settings.

Does hitting F2 let him get into the BIOS Settings menu? If "yes" there must be some kind of menu to "activate" some possible boot devices.

At least on my computer this is the case. In my BIOS i'm able to restrict the availability of boot devices.

Hopefully i understood the problem right, and this will get him further.


... but i still discourage installing XP again.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#84 - 2013-01-15 22:01:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
I can almost picture the OP. Sounds exactly like my Dad, an old bloke that likes the way things are. It works, so why change it, right? They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks, and i guess its right. The best thing is that the advice given on how to install a new operating system has already been given, more than once. Your format the drive, and then reinstall the operating system of choice. Not sure what you can do if you're unable to do that, other than investing in a new blank harddrive and replacing your current one. Once you've got XP up and running on that one, you could probably replace the first and wipe it via XP.

Seriously though, go for windows 7, far superior and up-to-date, and pretty much the same as XP. The fact that there are no longer any support or updates alone should make you avoid XP. You could feasibly end up with an OS that won't be able to run modern things.

And omg, i also hate windows 8. Came with my most recent laptop, and its a nightmare! I've never had to google so many basic things before! But like many have said, given time, you learn to get used to it. Sure is annoying though, everyone having to deal with a crappy OS just so people with touchscreens can use their devices. What?

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#85 - 2013-01-16 13:04:46 UTC
Gerald Taric wrote:
Well, if the computers BIOS does now allow to boot from other sources than from hard drive by hitting F8, then it's very likely being diabled in BIOS settings.


The only ones right now I can get out of my hat being a real pain in the arse to do something with are those with pre installed OS directly with manufacturer own install CD (HP for example) and laptops.
Even then with simple tools you can perfectly physically format whatever HD and install whatever you want, it's just a little bit tricky some times but you need base understanding/knowledge about hardware/bios and patience.

In OP's case, and reading his question, seems he should ask some friends around him to do this.
Can you get rid od win8? -yes
Can you install XP instead-yes
Can you partition and install 2 different OS?-yes
Can you use some feature to let you choose which one to boot? -probably, Win8 seems a bit different from my previous versions for this but there's always a more or less tricky workaround.

If you don't know what you're doing, just don't.

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#86 - 2013-01-16 13:13:43 UTC
Hans Hoff wrote:
Andski wrote:
try a 3 year old OS like windows 7 rather than an 11 year old dinosaur

I own a copy of windows XP and after windows 8 I will be F****ked if I give Bill Gates one more cent.


Everyone is saying Windows 7 is the best option, but you don't want to pay for it.

There is another option.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#87 - 2013-01-16 15:06:39 UTC
Oh goes! The start menu changed. The sky is falling, this is the end of the world!

You know I agree that it is less useful on touch devices but stop acting like a moron. There are good feature enhancements and perf improvements in win8. Just install one of the free or cheap 3rd party programs that restore the start menu

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#88 - 2013-01-16 15:07:14 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Hans Hoff wrote:
Andski wrote:
try a 3 year old OS like windows 7 rather than an 11 year old dinosaur

I own a copy of windows XP and after windows 8 I will be F****ked if I give Bill Gates one more cent.


Everyone is saying Windows 7 is the best option, but you don't want to pay for it.

There is another option.


Piracy may be unwise ... you never know who else is playing eve.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#89 - 2013-01-16 16:45:41 UTC
Denidil wrote:
Oh goes! The start menu changed. The sky is falling, this is the end of the world!

You know I agree that it is less useful on touch devices but stop acting like a moron. There are good feature enhancements and perf improvements in win8. Just install one of the free or cheap 3rd party programs that restore the start menu



Yep, DL ClassicSHell 3.6.5 seem way too hard...

Tsk tsk tsk Blink

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Spurty
#90 - 2013-01-16 16:49:01 UTC
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
This "stupid" old system is most succesful stable and best microsoft os system in thier entire history, i know people need adapt to new things, but come on XP was awesome and meny players still use it, exept new generation whith focusend on consumption and people who spent a lot money every month to get new brand cell phone with new icon on better lcd scren, or just to get 2fps more.


XP was great, however it's been compromised so hard it can't be fixed.

You really shouldn't smack XP, but accept you really should move away from it.

Windows 7 eclipsed XP some time ago for sheer numbers of computers running an OS.

Windows 8 isn't as terrible as I first thought.


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And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

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NightmareX
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#91 - 2013-01-16 17:14:18 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
Kno Smo wrote:
You guys know, that XP will not be aupported anymore? It will not get any security updates at all?

It's funny, when ppl complain about a simple change in the UI (the start screen works like the start button in Win7 but has more features)... but to go back to that old stupid system instead of Windows 7... seems to be a grandpa who can't adapt to anything new, lol :D


This "stupid" old system is most succesful stable and best microsoft os system in thier entire history, i know people need adapt to new things, but come on XP was awesome and meny players still use it, exept new generation whith focusend on consumption and people who spent a lot money every month to get new brand cell phone with new icon on better lcd scren, or just to get 2fps more.


This is not about just getting 2 fps more in games. This is about an OS (Windows 8) that is the most secured operation system in the world. And it's about an operation system that supports xx amount of cores.

There is so many things with the new Windows 8 operation system that takes advantages over the new hardware out in the market today.

Do you see Windows XP use SSD in the most optimal way?

Do you see that the Windows XP supports 4 cores or more fully out?

Do you see Windows XP to just restart a driver if a driver crash without crashing the whole computer with a blue screen rather than just restart the driver on the fly like Windows 7 and Windows 8 does?

Do you see how slow Windows XP is compared to Windows 8?

Do you see how much lesser secure a 12 years old operation system is over an operation system that is from 2012?

I bought the Samsung 9-series NP900X4C-A01SE laptop with Windows 7. Because of that, i took the advantage to buy Windows 8 Pro legally for the whole 22 dollars.

And, who really needs the start menu nowdays?

If you quicly want to restart your Windows 8 OS, then just press ALT + F4. If you want to use the Run command, then just press Windows button + R.

When you have used Windows 8 for some days, you will finally realize why on earth you wouldn't be using Windows 8 from the start.

I REALLY loved Windows 7. But after using Windows 8 for some months now, i wont miss Windows 7 at all.

EDIT: When it comes to running Windows 8 on normal computers, then it might be a bit different from running Windows 8 on a laptop.

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1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

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ISD Alliance
#92 - 2013-01-16 17:17:03 UTC
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Klyde
Lost Wacko's
#93 - 2013-01-16 17:23:16 UTC

No one supports Winxp anymore, your new system will not have drivers for the hardware to work so you will still have a broken computer, you will not even be able to finish set up because set up will not see your hardware.

Win8 takes a bit of getting used to but once you figure out how it works it is a better system, you can also get programs to give it the old feeling if your like me and can not stand the build in mail features. It boots into windows in seconds, shuts down in seconds, it loads everything almost instantly, it is so much faster.

I think you just need to give Win8 a solid try, btw,to get eve working on win8 i had to update all the drivers and make sure i had flash installed, running multiple accounts of eve is not an issue and is a lot smoother then win xp ever was at this.
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#94 - 2013-01-16 17:24:23 UTC
Windows 9, 2013 btw.

This space for rent.

Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#95 - 2013-01-16 17:40:13 UTC
Hans Hoff wrote:

I own a copy of windows XP and after windows 8 I will be F****ked if I give Bill Gates one more cent.



Too late, you did that when you purchased a new computer.

p.s. hope you didn't purchase more than 4 gigs of ram because XP will not read any more than that.

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Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#96 - 2013-01-16 18:01:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Alex Grison
With a simple registry edit you can completly disable the Metro UI. Leaving you with what is for all intents and purposes Windows 7

Steps To Disable Metro UI in Windows 8

1. First, press the Start + R buttons, to open the Run menu.

2. In the Run window, type “regedit” and hit Enter.

3. Now scroll on the top of the list and double click on “HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE”. This will expand the folder.

4. Do the same for “SOFTWARE “.

5. In the list, search for “Microsoft” and open it.

6. Now using the same procedure, navigate to Windows->CurrentVersion->Explorer and some registry entries will appear in the right side of the screen.

7. Click on the one called “RPenabled” and change its value from “1″ to “0″.

yes

Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#97 - 2013-01-16 18:25:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6639
at bootup, spamming F10 in post will bring up BIOS. find boot priority, then set it to cd-rom for the XP disc.

problem:

windows 8 manages multiple core CPUs the best... Windows 7 has some of the same features as 8, but only as a result of back-porting windows 8 CPU management into windows 7. if you take a new processor and stick windows XP on it, you risk under-utilizing your CPU cores, if at all.

it's not a simple mult-core issue, either. Windows 8 is the first windows OS to recognize the paired nature of some CPUs. these CPUs have multiple cores that need to be managed a certain way, in pairs. instead of cores 1-8, they're paired 1+2, 3+4, 5+6, 7+8.

this is the case with my computer and CPU. Windows 7 was sketchy, Windows 8 is great... XP would not work at all.

I don't like what they've done with the windows key, but i deal with it

Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Hans Hoff wrote:

I own a copy of windows XP and after windows 8 I will be F****ked if I give Bill Gates one more cent.



Too late, you did that when you purchased a new computer.

p.s. hope you didn't purchase more than 4 gigs of ram because XP will not read any more than that.


that, too. Windows 7 limited me to 8 Gigs. I obtained Win 8 pro through the microsoft alliance as a student (dreamspark), and now run 32 Gigs of RAM.
Calico-Jack Daniels
#98 - 2013-01-16 18:46:33 UTC
Hans Hoff wrote:
Hi Guys.
I just bought a new comp with widows 8 on it. This may be great for people who are into touch screen monitors and Ti Chi but it's not for me.
I put in my tried and true XP disk but I cant get the boot to get it running.
EvE attracts people of over average intelligence therefore I posted on here because I'm sure that one of you guys will be able to give me the information I need to ditch the chit and get back to XP.
Thanks in advance for any help and suggestions.
Regards Dave



1. Put XP in the dvd/cd-rom drive
2. reboot your computer
3. after reboot, press your boot options key (typically F12)
4. When the new screen appears, choose DVD/CD-rom drive for boot device (if you have more than one, make sure you choose the correct one with the XP disc in the drive)
5. Unless Windows 8 changed the access to boot device for security, which i thought I might have read but not sure, you should see the blue Windows XP partition screen.
6. delete the partitions, to start from scratch, create a new partition, or partitions if you need more than 1
7. Format the drive for NTFS (do not choose quick)
8. Accept the license agreement
9. follow the on-screen prompts to click next and magic happens
10. Activate and Update your new install
11. Add AV, and other security software ( I recommend CCleaner, Malwarebytes, and Spybot S&D in addition to your normal Antivirus software of choice. Hijack This is a good option too)


it is very important though to understand that a fully patched Windows XP SP3 installation is still vulnerable AND Microsoft has stopped support/is stopping support. That means no more security updates if another vulnerability is found.

Windows 7 is a good OS, and this coming from someone who loves Linux. I'm not a fan of Windows 8 either.

I go well with Quafe...

mama guru
Yazatas.
#99 - 2013-01-16 19:48:56 UTC
Lets just put it this way. Ignoring piracy the debate is quite simple:

Windows 8 is not worth the hundreds of dollars you have to spend on it if you already have windows 7.

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NightmareX
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#100 - 2013-01-16 20:25:24 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Alex Grison wrote:
With a simple registry edit you can completly disable the Metro UI. Leaving you with what is for all intents and purposes Windows 7

Steps To Disable Metro UI in Windows 8

1. First, press the Start + R buttons, to open the Run menu.

2. In the Run window, type “regedit” and hit Enter.

3. Now scroll on the top of the list and double click on “HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE”. This will expand the folder.

4. Do the same for “SOFTWARE “.

5. In the list, search for “Microsoft” and open it.

6. Now using the same procedure, navigate to Windows->CurrentVersion->Explorer and some registry entries will appear in the right side of the screen.

7. Click on the one called “RPenabled” and change its value from “1″ to “0″.


I couldn't find the string 'RPenabled' there on my Windows 8 Pro version on my laptop.

mama guru wrote:
Lets just put it this way. Ignoring piracy the debate is quite simple:

Windows 8 is not worth the hundreds of dollars you have to spend on it if you already have windows 7.

But spending 22 dollar from the 'Windows Upgrade Offer' you get when you have bought a laptop within a timeframe is absolutely worth it.

Not sure if that timeframe is over yet.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama