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James315 isnt going far enough

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#241 - 2013-01-16 02:57:41 UTC
Eyana Starstruck wrote:
Well you are probably a pawn, my apologies if by saying pawn you got offended, or well a player that joined cause you bought in to the story of divine cleansing backed up by the hate towards bot users and the totally new cast "bot-aspirants" players. You have been told that a certain area is "cleansed" and that you should be moving on to another area where "heretics" can be found.


There are no pawns in the New Order, just players who want to log in and play a game populated by actual people, rather than be surrounded by bots and bot aspirants. Knights and agents are encouraged to use their initiative, which is not the behaviour one usually finds desirable in a minion or pawn.

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Just a sec, you want to tell me that you bump and extort only miners that mine in ice fields and by all means dodge and don't extort botting or "bot-aspiring" miners that have mining operations in other asteroid belts?


We primarily target ice miners as this is the gateway drug to AFK mining and botting. I have an exhumers V toon and know the tedium of watching the harvesters cycle. That's why I use the time to pay attention to local, intel channels, dscan and my overview.

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I asked once as well who dictates on how much a miner is allowed to mine but didn't get the answer cause probably low ranks or new members, who are probably the majority on forums trying to defend their extortion, have no clue, is it that J person or someone else, who is it that decides how much is enough?


James 315 has wisely delegated this authority to all agents. He is a visionary leader and will save highsec, over your frozen corpse if necessary. His devotion to the cause is so great that he is even considering running for the CSM this year, enabling highsec to have an effective and commited advocate at the table.

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Page 8 and you will find your "agent" talking about how shareholders need to be pleased. I guess that was a slip and that there will be consequences for that "agent" but why should I care what happens to him when your "Order" obviously doesn't care what happens with other people.


That agent did not say "at any cost", though. As for punishment, being an individual; having thoughts, opinions and free will is encouraged in the New Order. That agent spoke his mind and did so without ranting, making baseless accusations or hiding behind an NPC Nobody character.

Alana Charen-Teng wrote:
We are not pawns! We are Knights!!!


LOL, I wanted to like that x2.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

admiral root
Red Galaxy
#242 - 2013-01-16 03:02:03 UTC
Eyana Starstruck wrote:
To be a knight means having generosity, fellowship, purity, courtesy, compassion, knowing right from wrong among many other good traits that sadly none of your goon squad has shown. Sad


Every day I see kill reports where Knights have seen code-violating miners, too poor to afford their own ammo, and generously shared their own.

There is nothing but fellowship in the Saviour's channel. I've seen agents and knights drop what they're doing and fly 20 jumps to go the aid of one of their brothers.

The Code is purity itself, therefore all those who embrace it with every fiber of their being are themselves pure.

Many agents have been complimented (by diehard rebels nonetheless) for the courteous way they conduct themselves in local. Knights frequently send customer satisfaction surveys to those they punish in an attempt to improve our quality of service.

Botting and AFK mining are wrong. Emergent gameplay and actually partaking in the game are right. Knights and agents know this and devote themselves to saving highsec.

Would you like to quit while you're only miles behind, NPC Nobody?

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff

Lin Suizei
#243 - 2013-01-16 03:03:30 UTC
Eyana Starstruck wrote:
To be a knight means having generosity, fellowship, purity, courtesy, compassion, knowing right from wrong among many other good traits that sadly none of your goon squad has shown.


0/10.

Please remind us of how many ganks you have prevented through your brave, brave words.

Lol I can't delete my forum sig.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#244 - 2013-01-16 03:17:55 UTC
Eyana Starstruck wrote:
To be a knight means having generosity, fellowship, purity, courtesy, compassion, knowing right from wrong among many other good traits that sadly none of your goon squad has shown. Sad



Didn't knights used to go into peasant villages then kill everyone and also **** all the women?

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#245 - 2013-01-16 06:37:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Eyana Starstruck wrote:
To be a knight means having generosity, fellowship, purity, courtesy, compassion, knowing right from wrong among many other good traits that sadly none of your goon squad has shown. Sad



Didn't knights used to go into peasant villages then kill everyone and also **** all the women sheep?


The good old days P, when men were men and sheep were worried.

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Sodium Canine
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#246 - 2013-01-16 07:09:06 UTC
admiral root wrote:
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There are no pawns in the New Order, just players who want to log in and play a game populated by actual people, rather than be surrounded by bots and bot aspirants. .

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I think it's good that there are a group of people out there like the Knights of the New Order who are crusading against bot-aspirant behavior in Eve. Keeps everybody honest!

Oh, wait. Over on the mining bumping blog, the James Gang are discussing their plans to run ganking bots! Shocked

You guys should run for congress..... you certainly have the moral ambiguity for it!

My dad was a sailor on the ocean. He knows all about the ocean. What he doesn't know is why he quit being a sailor and married my mom.

Eyana Starstruck
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#247 - 2013-01-16 10:06:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Eyana Starstruck
Yet again no answer for who dictates on how much mining is allowed and what is that number? sigh...

That is why you are pawns, you don't know practically anything, all you know is that you are supposed to scout around from system to system, find bots and "bot-aspirants" then call it out on your public channel if you are not able to take action yourself. That sure is some initiative.

Vast majority wants to fly space populated by people the thing is you didn't target only bots, you have targeted people that stay by their keyboard, maybe they tab out to talk on fb, tweet or are searching the web to see if there are any ways to improve faster, get higher yield from their mining, sifting trough forums to find deals that will make their time spent in eve more profitable and that is their way of play style.

Now you have branded that play style as "bot-aspirants" and you are messing with them, which is fine since this IS Eve.

If Eve had the ship painting option I have no doubt that after buying your "permit" they would be "asked" to paint David's star on their ship so you can distinguish them from others.

Someone spoke about knights going into villages and killing all the women and children, yes it was known to happen but even those murderers had courage to do such vile acts and stand behind their actions but they didn't call it divine, or wait some of them did BUT who would have guessed, they were also followers and obeyed orders but theirs came from the church, they did such "divine cleansing" but still they were nothing more than pawns of the church or are you willing to openly state that their mass murdering of thousands upon thousands of men, women and children just because they didn't follow "The code" of the church a righteous act and they did it upon their own initiative?

Every day you see kill reports where "Knights" have seen "code-violating" miners, too poor to afford their own ammo, and generously shared their own?! Poor?! Really? You want to tell me that you have poor "agents" in there, interesting... What happens to all the "donations" you guys get, your highest shareholder has given 5bil to your "cause" who is non the less a couple of months old toon, I would love to know how he managed to earn and then spare 5bil in that short period of time? Where is all the ISK going, how is it that your leader has 45bil in his wallet, probably more now, and doesn't give the rest of you help to fit out 2.3mil ship fits?

If you are not just pawns, why aren't you supplied with better ships that can solo instant pop a mining barge, even those murdering crusaders were outfitted by almost best equipment by their contractor the church, don't tell me that that age church is a better provider than "the holy man" James, the blasphemy?

Could be because you are mostly consisted from a month old toons that don't have enough sp to fly anything better, plus I wouldn't be surprised if you trained anything past those destroyers at all since you won't be using them after those 21 day trial expires anyway. But still you have your mains, probably greedy mining mains and you were tired of the people using bot programs to mine whole day and whole night and "stealing" "YOUR" profit and making the time you spend by the keyboard less profitable so when you saw someone ganging bots for "righteous" cause of clearing high sec of miners, you jumped aboard. Wouldn't be surprised if some of you are mining on your main while you are scouting and fighting on your alts, talk about non-afk mining.

Hmmm here we have a rising leader with his "code", gathering sad poorer population of miners to fight for him, attacking and disrupting and extorting the richer miner population for money, separating them into new layers of societies bots and bot-aspirants, branding them after they were extorted, now wanting to go into politics and speak for "his" people so he could "protect" them... Interesting, could swear there was a similar thing happening in our recent history of 100y but just can't put my finger on it and interesting enough that movement had a "divine" idea in their "code" as well. Interesting... Big smile

Just stop pretending and hiding behind that now already worn out ideas of "We are divine crusaders" "We will purge high sec from so so" "We are doing the righteous cause" when in fact you are doing none of those things.

Gather into one corp, stay in that corp while doing all the scouting, calling out the bots and bots only, form an attack fleet and fight as real noble, honorable and brave "Knights". But alas both you and I know that won't ever happen, cause you are no knights, you have no good traits, you are nothing but petty criminals, pawns even. Sad
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#248 - 2013-01-16 11:01:20 UTC
Eyana Starstruck wrote:
Yet again no answer...

...petty criminals, pawns even. Sad

The Mittani wrote:
Unless you are confident in your command of the Art of Posting, I recommend being succinct. Writing long, elaborate posts is really only fine if you are confident in your ability to hold the reader's attention and keep them interested/amused throughout the length of the post. You remember that scene from The Shawshank Redemption where Tim Robbins had to crawl five hundred yards through a raw sewage pipe? That's what reading a long bad post is like.

I'm not feeling up to crawling through that sewage.
Lin Suizei
#249 - 2013-01-16 11:24:29 UTC
Eyana Starstruck wrote:
a massive badpost


The New Order eagerly awaits the day when you will accomplish something other than highlighting why miners constantly fail to halt our relentless advance.

Lol I can't delete my forum sig.

Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#250 - 2013-01-16 11:51:44 UTC
Sodium Canine wrote:
Over on the mining bumping blog, the James Gang are discussing their plans to run ganking bots! Shocked

You guys should run for congress..... you certainly have the moral ambiguity for it!


The forum thread discussed multi-boxing using ISBoxer - not botting.
Eyana Starstruck
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#251 - 2013-01-16 12:00:14 UTC
Hahah, funny.... I know you read it but sadly you have no real answers since you don't actually know anything worthy of an argument. You are only good enough to follow what Mittani and James say, to do what you are told, the characteristic of being nothing but a pawn, and you say you follow your own initiative, ha. Big smile

Lin Suizei that was some comeback, the arguments, the eloquence, no wonder you are not able to realize you are nothing but a tool. You wouldn't have any advance if you didn't hide behind disposable alts, that shift from one corp to another in fear of being war decked. For now the only thing they could do is tank up their barges, but we are not talking about them, we are talking how your "order" is nothing more then a merc squad hired and supported only by a larger bot driven corporation that is cashing in on your "divine" cleansing.
Lin Suizei
#252 - 2013-01-16 12:24:52 UTC
Eyana Starstruck wrote:
we are talking how your "order" is nothing more then a merc squad hired and supported only by a larger bot driven corporation that is cashing in on your "divine" cleansing.


Say it with me, bot-aspirant:

~goons~.

Lol I can't delete my forum sig.

Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#253 - 2013-01-16 12:32:36 UTC
I hereby nominate Eyana Starstruck to be president of the New Order Fan Club!
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#254 - 2013-01-16 12:56:50 UTC
Alana Charen-Teng wrote:
I hereby nominate Eyana Starstruck to be president of the New Order Fan Club!

Pretty sure we've got Anslo for that.
Eyana Starstruck
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#255 - 2013-01-16 13:44:47 UTC
Hehehe... Big smileBig smileBig smile Can't say I expected more from mere pawns. Big smileBig smile
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#256 - 2013-01-16 14:46:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Eyana Starstruck wrote:
Hahah, funny.... I know you read it but sadly you have no real answers since you don't actually know anything worthy of an argument. You are only good enough to follow what Mittani and James say, to do what you are told, the characteristic of being nothing but a pawn, and you say you follow your own initiative, ha. Big smile

Lin Suizei that was some comeback, the arguments, the eloquence, no wonder you are not able to realize you are nothing but a tool. You wouldn't have any advance if you didn't hide behind disposable alts, that shift from one corp to another in fear of being war decked. For now the only thing they could do is tank up their barges, but we are not talking about them, we are talking how your "order" is nothing more then a merc squad hired and supported only by a larger bot driven corporation that is cashing in on your "divine" cleansing.


Using disposable alts for ganking is a breach of the EULA, if you have proof that New Order gankers are using an alt to gank, and then disposing of said alt, then file a petition (by disposable I'm assuming you're referring to biomassing the alt when the sec status gets too low).

As it stands at the moment you're making a fair few assumptions about the New Order, two of which (disposing of alts and receiving isk from botters) are EULA breaches.

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Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
#257 - 2013-01-16 15:47:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Claire Coffee
Just a couple of quick questions.
Do these self-proclaimed wanna be rulers ever wander off from hi-sec?
Or by "right" mindset they mean blobing with gank-alts and flying donkey-ass cheap ships with laughable alpha fits capable of squeezing one button per minute targeting someone who can't really fight?
Right...
Wake me up when these attention whoes learn to pvp. I'd welcome then in our WH or something. We have some awesomely sweet hulkies here that can actually bite back.
Btw, do you know that James is mainly funded by 0.01 isk warriors? Now THAT mindset is okay, right? right.
Traders' lapdogs pretending to be PvPers.
Pwease.

- Claire

P.S.: I'm heavily against bot-miners, btw. I'm also against wannabes.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#258 - 2013-01-16 15:48:42 UTC
Eyana Starstruck wrote:
Even one of your "Agents" said once that you have shareholders and shareholders have to be satisfied by all means necessary and that you will do whatever the shareholders wanted you to do, from that you can conclude that you are nothing but mercs and not a single thing you are doing began as a cleanse and trying to make high sec a better place for players that stay by their keyboards.

The reason for you moving around is very simple, you are covering up the real goal why any of this started in the first place, cause if you only "liberated" certain systems it would be even more transparent than it already is and even less people would buy your "We are making high sec better" idea, another reason would be that by expanding your area you are influencing and disrupting more and more mining operations thus creating a bigger and bigger resource deficit thus making material prices higher thus making the prices of modules and other items go up which in return makes your contracting botting corp richer.

All is allowed in war for resources, it is not uncommon to go to far in something to cover up the real reason which is mostly resources, you can see it even in present day if you look pass the propaganda of major tv news broadcasters and use logic and read news from independent news reporters or talk to civilians from that area. People condemn such acts if the reason is money or just plain showing of of power and that is why they have to hide behind some other reason masses would swallow. One of the most recent happenings where you had real reason covered up was war in Lybia.

Heh... "Name the corp that we're protecting and provide proof", well hell give me the proof you are not. Big smile



Oh I dunno, there's a ship replacement program, sounds like that's "insurance benefits" for being an employee, not a mercenary since we don't get "paid" per kill.

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Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#259 - 2013-01-16 15:59:11 UTC
Claire Coffee wrote:
Just a couple of quick questions.
Do these self-proclaimed wanna be rulers ever wonder off from hi-sec?
Or by "right" mindset they mean blobing with gank-alts and flying donkey-ass cheap ships with laughable alpha fits capable of squeezing one button per minute targeting someone who can't really fight?
Right...
Wake me up when these attention whoes learn to pvp. I'd welcome then in our WH or something. We have some awesomely sweet hulkies here that can actually bite back.
Btw, do you know that James is mainly funded by 0.01 isk warriors? Now THAT mindset is okay, right? right.
Traders' lapdogs pretending to be PvPers.
Pwease.

- Claire

P.S.: I'm heavily against bot-miners, btw. I'm also against wannabes.


So because they're engaged in something other than honourable space duels the work they do is of no value? I'm not buying it.

The arguement you're making is that these fantastic human beings have no value because someone else is doing something else better somewhere else. You don't know that these upstanding citizens don't also engage in small gang t1 cruisers vs. t3's and win. I mean, we're supposed to take it at face value that you do engage in such high level e-bushido despite you being an NPC corp posting alt.
Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
#260 - 2013-01-16 16:05:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Claire Coffee
Psychotic Monk wrote:


So because they're engaged in something other than honourable space duels the work they do is of no value? I'm not buying it.

The arguement you're making is that these fantastic human beings have no value because someone else is doing something else better somewhere else. You don't know that these upstanding citizens don't also engage in small gang t1 cruisers vs. t3's and win. I mean, we're supposed to take it at face value that you do engage in such high level e-bushido despite you being an NPC corp posting alt.


exactly.
these fantastic human beings are promoting that mining without their permission or control is godawful.
and I promote that these fantastic human beings as godawful themselves with no taste and style.
and yes, I'm a week old alt. Read the sig.

P.S. while you're a week old main Roll

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