Jita Park Speakers Corner

The 1 player 1 vote point is valid, a democratic system based on wealth and buying a vote (in this case having multiple accounts) doesn't work.

But if every elected group I disagreed with was disbanded there would be none left. Once the vote is done, we live with the consequences.

Next election those who don't like the current mix (which includes me) need to make sure we vote for a difference, but the current crop as voted in should serve their term of office and represent those who elected them. That's what democracy is.

Yes, once it can be proved that the elected official has broken terms of office, but not when we just don't like them or what they are doing.

There is a big difference between the 2 points and most of what I am seeing on these post is 'I don't like them and the way they play'. 'CSM is unbalanced towards Null' and some unsubstantiated comments.

If someone has proof of a member of CSM breaking their terms, fine, kick that person out. If not this is just looking like a witch hunt. Though halloween may almost be upon us, innocent until proven guilty is still the principle I'll stick with.

Some of what CSM have been involved in I do not like, but other things I do. Some play their characters in a way I don't like, other don't. But none of that is grounds for impeachment.

Not at all! Impeachment can be due to the people losing faith at their elected representative. And honestly only a few criminal motivated Impeachments were actually proved, most of them had no proof at all of illicit activities. Nevertheless the ones in power were taken off their position. Basically, like I said, people lost their faith and took them out.
That is the Democracy you so proud speak off, the δημοκρατία "rule/power of the people".

+1 to Tallian Saotome for saving me the trouble of correcting him

Some, you can google it.

Not really, that will depend on the country you live in. In my country for example, this case of motion is also called Impeachment. We do not have any variants for the term. Demoting an elected official will always be known as Impeachment here.

A great idea once you think of cultural factors.
This 'motion of no confidence' by its name is new to me. Like I said, a motion of this kind would also be known as Impeachment here. So if I were to see that the CSM charter does not allow for vote of no-confidence I’d hardly link one thing to the other.

Well then, who is the highsec rep? I know SOMEONE came out a while back as primarily advocating highsec interests.

*DOWN WITH RANDOM CSM!!!*

Edit: It gave me bloody parse errors for quoting YOUR percent sign!!!! *rabble rabble rabble*

I think the first step to getting the random "little guy" high sec pilot to become interested in the CSM is to make the campaign and election totally someting "in game". I should vote in game, I should be constantly reminded IN GAME there is an election and tie voting to getting something, like the "election shuttle". Randomize the order of the candidates when you are presented who to vote for and at least the argument that the "care bear" block doesn't vote because the they don't "forum" goes away.

Get the CSM election in game and then you can't not know about it.

Also, I know a lot of folks want to bash the current CSM for being focused on thier own agenda. To that I say it makes them one of the most "effective" CSMs ever. I don't like most of that they have gotten done because I have a different focus in Eve but you have to admit they represented their support base very well. If you didn't like what they did you should have worked harder on getting someone else elected because what they have done was no surprise.

Issler

I shudder to think of what highsec would be like if it weren't for past and present CSM delegates and conferences. No one, CSM or not, is out there to ruin highsec. It's not in our interest, nor CCP's. Without the CSM, I fear, this game would have been worthless years ago.

Oh and, by the by, attempting to raise voter participation by generating a lot of white noise is useless. The reason people in nullsec judge highsec so harshly is that we know very well there is a large percentage of highsec players that don't actually care. Add to that, the overall percentage of highsec players don't even realize some of the critically bad problems in this game.

Actually, the CSMs DID go around in game spamming people trying to get votes, particularly in highsec.

Also, the day the vote went live, you got a nice little pop up when you logged in saying the election was on, and to click on the link(provided in the pop up) to go view the randomized list of candidates.

And yes, the list was randomized, as anyone with more than one character can tell you.

Anyone complaining about the process is someone who just clicks ok on whatever window they see to close it. I don't want those people voting, because they aren't going to make an informed decision, they are gonna click a name to close the window if forced to vote.

Mandatory voting is a terrible idea, as is any mechanism which changes the voting process from an opt-in system to an opt-out system, simply because of the ignorant masses who don't care.

If you care, you will vote, its that simple.

Oh, and those with multiple accounts, well our voice is worth more because we are worth more to the company, obviously. My votes got split between Mittens, and Trebor. Mittens is the leader the CSM needed this term, and maybe even next term. We NEEDED someone who would go out and be a media whore, because it brought attention, and thus pressure, on CCP to clean up their act. It worked. Trebor needed to be there, well, because he tends to opposed the Mittani, and that needs to happen too.

This coming CSM, I will probably vote the same way, but hope that Trebor takes chair and Mittens is there as a normal CSM to opposed him on his carebear initiative(also there to media whore it up again should it be needed).


PS. Hey Trebor, did you hear they are making a Wizardry MMO? wut?

Instant 8000 man alliance and a nice region going spare? Oh and a few hundered wouldnt go a miss.

Seriously silly comments like this make me very angry stop talking out of your ass man