Wormholes

How to replace non-blue loot wormhole income then?

Nerfed T3s will devalue w-space.

I'm not even sure if CCP Fozzie will seriously consider w-space when re-balancing T2 / T3 ships.

They have not stated any plans to nerf T3s in any way. They have announced plans to change how T3s work for boosting. A battleship puts out more DPS at a longer range for less cost than a T3 ship, they are in no way OP except that people need something to whine about.

t1 cruisers were buffed.. t2 cruisers need a buff, not t3 a nerf.

T3s need balancing, not nerfing. There's a BIG difference.
Especially given what they've done to T1 cruisers, T2 ships across the board need a sizable buff which will (ok, given it's ccp im probably safer saying 'should') fix the T3 'issue'.

T3s just need to have their subs tweaked to make them all actually useful for something.
the point is, it makes no difference what they do to T3s, be it nuke them, make T2s uber powerful, or just leave them as is.
high end WH people do not need to factor cost into their ship choices and with thus always fly whatever gets the job done best.

also for the record, we WHlers are unimaginative in the extreme when it comes to fleet comps.
there are quite a lot of fleet comps that T3s do horribly against.
basically the way ive seem it for the most part is that the people complaining about T3s are people who currently cant, for sp or isk reasons, fly t3s all day but are working towards being able to. they thus fly ships that try to fill the same role (ie: tank+gank) but given the end goal in that category is T3s, they inevitable lose to people already in T3s.

tl;dr: the solution to the T3 'issue' is to fix the T2 lineup, not to nuke T3s through the floor.

PS: for the people who say T3s should not be the end game in the tank+gank category, why not? something needs to be and generalization is the whole point of T3s.
T3s should be best all round there, but T2s should be better at each thing.
EG:
proteus has high dps and high tank. thus, there should be a T2 gallente ship that does more DPS but less tank (there is currently, the astarte) and one that has more tank and less dps (this one doesnt exist currently).
loki has long webs and decent DPS and decent tank, thus there should be T2 minnie ships that have better tank (currently missing), better DPS (sleipnir) and better webs (rapier/huginn)
only if this ballance cannot be reached at all should T3s be nerfed as such, like they have announced they are doing with the boosting.

PPS: wtf have T3s got to do with the value of WH space? :S

blue loot is around 85% of WH value, 85% of 'as much as i want' is 'all that i need'.
i think i'll manage tbh.

T3 are fine tbh t2 ships need some love tho

if you look at his alliance ticker, i can assure you that Mr Wormhole's (who made up this name! its hilarious!) alliance has more then a handful of people.

mind you, the difference between c5 and c6 is massive. though the sites are worth roughly the same, the respawn in c6 space is much much higher

i have never seen any threads on nerfing T3, ever. the only ones that came close to a "nerf t3" where about the 100mn tengus...

and gang links rebalance is not a nerf to t3, its a rebalance on the way link bonus works across the board.

As others have said, T3s need a rebalance in places and T2 (especially HACs) need a boost.
Arguably the most imba T3 config has already taken a bit of a nerf (100mn Tengu), once you bring in the changes to ganglinks then you could be in a pretty solid all around place.

A lot of the reason Heavily tanked T3s are the ship of choice in Wormholes rather than other setups is most of the fights are on a wormhole, where speed and agility are less vital than other aspects.

I sincerely hope that CCP are careful when doing future balances, around this. If T2 ships (specifically HACs) are brought in line and changes to T3s aren't too significant then we could be in a very nice position! :)

The only thing that spreadsheetwarrior Fozzie considers while balancing stuff is the drone bay, and if a ship doesnt fits the one thing he wants it to do exactly he randomly adjusts the drone bay size.

As for T3, the problem is they are not generalized, they are just generally good.

They mostly offer the same bonuses as the specialized t2 ships, just with everything else better than the t2 variant. Add to that their small mass, and you have the perfect WH ship.