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Oxygen Isotope prices are about to explode.
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Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
#41 - 2013-01-15 07:52:43 UTC
When are Arsenal going to spend in the transfer market?
Kaaii
Kaaii-Net Research Labs
#42 - 2013-01-15 09:25:43 UTC



"Maybe if we built a giant wooden badger......."
Tarlo Intaki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-01-15 11:10:17 UTC

I guess if you look at the graph for the price of oxygen isotopes, it definitely looks like it cant go any lower from here, which in turn means it can only go up, so it's like buying a lottery ticket with no risk of losing anything.

Once it flattens out at a low level, then eventually it will jump again. Same happened in nitrogen isotopes a couple of times.
I think the OP is probably on to something.
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#44 - 2013-01-15 14:13:02 UTC
Tarlo Intaki wrote:

I guess if you look at the graph for the price of oxygen isotopes, it definitely looks like it cant go any lower from here, which in turn means it can only go up, so it's like buying a lottery ticket with no risk of losing anything.

Once it flattens out at a low level, then eventually it will jump again. Same happened in nitrogen isotopes a couple of times.
I think the OP is probably on to something.


yea even the last guy in here must have noticed that you invested in Oxytopes,...really not a big secret. nonetheless I must inform you that your reasoning starts to sound a bit "desperate".

tell us, why cant the price drop even further? is there a bareer that stops it from dropping?... no there isnt, Oxytopes have been a lot cheaper in the past aswell (IIRC 320isk pre ice interdiction?)

it can go up in the future, sure! But it doesnt have to, and so far there is simply no sign for that at all. And personnly its nothing I would invest in, there are at least 2.429.304 items in the game that have greater potencial atm ;)

shar'ra phone home
Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
#45 - 2013-01-15 14:36:18 UTC
Well thanks for taking the time to count them...
Ricky Pickering
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-01-15 16:03:18 UTC
I've been wondering about an investment in Isotopes recently. Although I'm on the lower end of the traders in terms of capital (10-20 billion), I've thought about putting some of my money in Isotopes. The way I see it, it seems to be a safe investment as the market has sort of hit a very stable bottom on many of them. It seems like they're already incredibly low. Would any of you agree on isotopes being a safe investment or would you dispute that?

Also, I noticed the gigantic spike that took place maybe 8-10 months ago. The market has seen a very consistent downward trend since then. Was this do to the changes in mining barges? Thanks!
RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#47 - 2013-01-15 16:56:00 UTC
it was only a matter of time before the cancer of The New Order spraed to other sections of the forums.

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Andrian Caldar
New Eden Special Situations Subcontractors
#48 - 2013-01-15 20:43:17 UTC

Screw it. I'll have me some. Twisted
Gilbert Intaki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-01-16 00:18:57 UTC

Here it comes....
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#50 - 2013-01-16 04:42:00 UTC
Alex Grison wrote:
what a shi­tty pump and dump attempt


Sounds like my grandfather after mexican night.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#51 - 2013-01-16 05:40:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Gilbert Intaki wrote:

Here it comes....


Its not going to affect ice like the intervention did.

Half of their kills have strips on (ie if they kill 20 miners a day, they are only killing 10 ice miners a day), they don't have 24hr presence in the belts as goons did, so there will be gross periods of not harrassing miners and many miners who are never harrassed by them, and they aren't interdicting the islands.

I stuck an alt in a 100k ehp skiff expecting a warzone and hoping for schadenfreude into brap, and instead of getting to tut-tut smugly down my nose at macks with terrible fits being catalyzed, I got to sigh at my yield and pulled 4mil/hr whilst the macks pulled 7m/hr. There was not a catalyst to be seen.
Gilbert Intaki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2013-01-16 09:27:30 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Gilbert Intaki wrote:

Here it comes....


Its not going to affect ice like the intervention did.

Half of their kills have strips on (ie if they kill 20 miners a day, they are only killing 10 ice miners a day), they don't have 24hr presence in the belts as goons did, so there will be gross periods of not harrassing miners and many miners who are never harrassed by them, and they aren't interdicting the islands.

I stuck an alt in a 100k ehp skiff expecting a warzone and hoping for schadenfreude into brap, and instead of getting to tut-tut smugly down my nose at macks with terrible fits being catalyzed, I got to sigh at my yield and pulled 4mil/hr whilst the macks pulled 7m/hr. There was not a catalyst to be seen.



I never mentioned the words 'Ice Interdiction', or Goonswarm (which is what I think you might be referring to). You don't need a huge interdiction effort to move prices. Although, this time prices will of course move a lot less.

What your seeing now is a substitution of miner efforts from Oxygen Isotopes to Nitrogen Isotopes. And given that markets are often quite precariously balanced in EVE (precisely because substitution to other activities is so easy), it doesn't take much of an effect at the fundamental level to shift prices at trade hubs by quite a lot.

I reckon the price could easily go to 500, and at that point it is not inconceivable that it goes beyond that as people start hoarding.
Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
#53 - 2013-01-16 10:26:16 UTC
Just buying 10mil in Jita now would do that and that isn't inconcievable. I think most pos and cap owners build up their emergency stores when prices seem to be at their lowest, just in case...

Around 600 is the new norm imho with relative peace and healthy production/positivity, I know it was lower once (1+ year) but recent history and inflation and the ever present threat of things going silly again makes sitting at that level more likely.
Callduron
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#54 - 2013-01-16 11:00:02 UTC
Props to New Order for simultaneously running a protection scheme where miners can pay to mine ice unmolested and at the same time completely interdicting ice mining. That's some trick!

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Gilbert Intaki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2013-01-16 11:05:30 UTC
Captain IQ wrote:
Just buying 10mil in Jita now would do that and that isn't inconcievable. I think most pos and cap owners build up their emergency stores when prices seem to be at their lowest, just in case...

Around 600 is the new norm imho with relative peace and healthy production/positivity, I know it was lower once (1+ year) but recent history and inflation and the ever present threat of things going silly again makes sitting at that level more likely.



I think most people in EVE are always on the back foot about these things, because of that little thing called 'Real Life', so I am not sure people display as much foresight as one might think.

But ultimately - markets will move if people think they will move. It's all about perception in the short term.
Bob Killan
Dzark Asylum
#56 - 2013-01-16 11:34:19 UTC
Gilbert Intaki wrote:
Captain IQ wrote:
Just buying 10mil in Jita now would do that and that isn't inconcievable. I think most pos and cap owners build up their emergency stores when prices seem to be at their lowest, just in case...

Around 600 is the new norm imho with relative peace and healthy production/positivity, I know it was lower once (1+ year) but recent history and inflation and the ever present threat of things going silly again makes sitting at that level more likely.



I think most people in EVE are always on the back foot about these things, because of that little thing called 'Real Life', so I am not sure people display as much foresight as one might think.

But ultimately - markets will move if people think they will move. It's all about perception in the short term.


Too true.
All markets are human invention.
Money is an imaginary item created to help trade.
Money only has the value that the users attribute to it.
A fair price is a indication that 2 (or more) entities agree the price is fair.
A fair market price is an extention of that involving many more than 2 parties.
The fair price on any market can be manipulated quite sucessfully up or down using a combination of money and confidence/scare mongering.
Most people are less than intellegent.
Few people are leaders.
Many people are sheep.
Sheep follow leaders.
Money makes leaders. Lack of money makes sheep.
Invested money can create confidence.
10% of the population control more than 50% of total money.
People with money can afford massive advertisements.

TD:LR Every Item in the world including fictional space ship items all have 1 thing in common. If you have the $$$ and the motivations the markets will go where you want them to go.

Andrian Caldar
New Eden Special Situations Subcontractors
#57 - 2013-01-16 21:59:28 UTC

Well - I'm in the money already Big smile
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#58 - 2013-01-17 02:56:18 UTC
Andrian Caldar wrote:

Well - I'm in the money already Big smile


At what price did you buy in?

iCandy  - I have accidently swallowed some Scrabble tiles, my next shit could spell disaster!
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#59 - 2013-01-17 06:37:09 UTC
well it spiked for a short moment to 482 and dropping already (460 atm). no panic sells or big sales through buy orders, so it realy cant be that much... Big smile

shar'ra phone home
Full Metal Jackie
Defining Harassment
#60 - 2013-01-17 15:07:20 UTC
Alex Grison wrote:
what a shi­tty pump and dump attempt

I've seen this, "****** pump and dump" in videos around the internet. It involves a turkey baster...