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ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#101 - 2013-01-15 16:35:11 UTC  |  Edited by: ground ctrl
Mutnin wrote:
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
You have to remember that Amarr got run over when changes were broadcast months in advance. Read the comments attached to this Blog, particularly the 7th one. Blink


Amarr got over run at the start because they for what ever reason unknown to me expected CCP to reset the war zone, so they didn't fight to hold or take anything. Caldari on the other hand held War Zone control the majority of the time, since CCP started tooling about with FW and only started losing after CCP did the surprise patch. Up until the surprise patch that left Gals in a war zone control, it was always Caldari dictating the control of the War Zone.

There were struggles here and there but over all it was always Caldari in control until that patch, hence the reason so many Caldari's quit because it simply handed the War zone to Gals whom quite frankly did not deserve it. We did fight tooth and nail with the first set of changes and we lost many systems in the beginning, but that was soon turned around and Caldari once again took control of the war front despite Gals best efforts.

After that it was just controlled farming.. Gals were never really in control of that and they only made it to tier V one time compared to several 4's & 5 's that Caldari hit. Timing is the only thing that left Gals in control by the famous surprise patch, despite the fact that Gals had Minmatar farmers on their side and much stronger corps.



Much reinventing of history. Amarr got run over at the front because ccp took an activity that never had any consequences (plexing) and suddenly said you will be locked out based on it. It just so happened that Amarr had fewer systems at the time due primarily to the work of one minmatar - sasawong.

At first amarr responded by trying to plex back systems but after a few nights of plexing for hours only to find no more plexes would respawn due to a bug/exploit we realized that wouldn't work. So we begged ccp to fix the bugs and give us some time to plex some systems back bug free. They refused to fix the bugs before locking us out.

So in the critical time leading up to inferno amarr corps were either dropping from amarr (so they would be able to access their stuff) or moving their stuff while the minmatar were plexing. There were some epic fights in kourm and kamela but large parts of the Amarr militia had to spend substantial parts of that key time moving stuff out of the warzone. Given that we were outnumbered even if at full strength the results should not be too surprising.

Why was it critical right before inferno? Well each plex counted for 5xs as much vp before inferno than they did after. This doesn't even address the fact that minmatar could always capture all size plexes in gunless frigates and amarr had to wait a few months after inferno for that favor.

That said there were bad decisions made by amarr as well. People like cynthia Nezmor kept telling amarr to defensive plex even though that just fed the minmatar farm alts etc.
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#102 - 2013-01-15 19:44:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
ground ctrl wrote:


Much reinventing of history. Amarr got run over at the front because ccp took an activity that never had any consequences (plexing) and suddenly said you will be locked out based on it. It just so happened that Amarr had fewer systems at the time due primarily to the work of one minmatar - sasawong.

At first amarr responded by trying to plex back systems but after a few nights of plexing for hours only to find no more plexes would respawn due to a bug/exploit we realized that wouldn't work. So we begged ccp to fix the bugs and give us some time to plex some systems back bug free. They refused to fix the bugs before locking us out.

So in the critical time leading up to inferno amarr corps were either dropping from amarr (so they would be able to access their stuff) or moving their stuff while the minmatar were plexing. There were some epic fights in kourm and kamela but large parts of the Amarr militia had to spend substantial parts of that key time moving stuff out of the warzone. Given that we were outnumbered even if at full strength the results should not be too surprising.

Why was it critical right before inferno? Well each plex counted for 5xs as much vp before inferno than they did after. This doesn't even address the fact that minmatar could always capture all size plexes in gunless frigates and amarr had to wait a few months after inferno for that favor.

That said there were bad decisions made by amarr as well. People like cynthia Nezmor kept telling amarr to defensive plex even though that just fed the minmatar farm alts etc.


I didn't reinvent history, I simply stated what I saw. I said Amarr choose not to fight and try to push back at the start. This was true and maybe you have your reasons but end result is you guys didn't really fight for Sov at the start and that's what set you back the most.

Caldari were also under manned and out gunned at the start and quite honestly most of us expected Gals to steam roll us at that point, but we did something different. Prior to the station lock outs Gals held a few key systems that were pretty important to us, the most notable was Enaluri which at the time was home of most of Caldari living in low sec including my self. The other was Rakapass.

Gals were posed to take quite a few other systems just prior to the lock outs, but Caldari instead went on the offensive and we attempted to capture Nisuwa which was home of DnD and along side that the prime target was Rakapas. I'll give credit where credit is due and it was largely IBS that brought along their Russian friends to help that made the push for these two systems.

CalMil as a whole had prior to this tried to take back Enaluri but we were not able to do it and most of us had to spend time evacing our stuff out as well. The next best thing was helping out with the Rakapas situation which led to fighting for almost a solid day maybe a bit longer I cant' remember.

After this it was a pretty hefty fight in Aivonen, which again Caldari didn't win but if I'm not mistaken we ended up doing a Ninja capture later that day or at least attempted a second try on the system. I think we captured it but I can't be 100%.

Regardless if we captured it or not, what that fighting leading up to the actual patch provided, was essentially a stall tactic that kept Gals out of Inna & Eha as well as Okkamon. Meaning we didn't win the fights to get back Raka or Enaluri at that time and Nisuwa was always a long shot but we did hold off Gals and their superior numbers at that point.

Despite losing the goals at that time, it was seen as a victory because we honestly expected to lose several systems leading up to the lock outs and the fact we held it off sort of gave a push to CalMil that ended up with us eventually controlling the Sov War up until the Ninja patch.


At this point though is was just Caldari farmers and Minmatar farmers doing a sea saw somewhat back and forth and Gals were pretty much just holding on to their home systems. This is when I lost interest in the Sov War, because it was clear that paying LP's for plex capture created farmville and it was nothing more than planning controlled captures & LP dumps.
ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#103 - 2013-01-15 21:57:05 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
ground ctrl wrote:


Much reinventing of history. Amarr got run over at the front because ccp took an activity that never had any consequences (plexing) and suddenly said you will be locked out based on it. It just so happened that Amarr had fewer systems at the time due primarily to the work of one minmatar - sasawong.

At first amarr responded by trying to plex back systems but after a few nights of plexing for hours only to find no more plexes would respawn due to a bug/exploit we realized that wouldn't work. So we begged ccp to fix the bugs and give us some time to plex some systems back bug free. They refused to fix the bugs before locking us out.

So in the critical time leading up to inferno amarr corps were either dropping from amarr (so they would be able to access their stuff) or moving their stuff while the minmatar were plexing. There were some epic fights in kourm and kamela but large parts of the Amarr militia had to spend substantial parts of that key time moving stuff out of the warzone. Given that we were outnumbered even if at full strength the results should not be too surprising.

Why was it critical right before inferno? Well each plex counted for 5xs as much vp before inferno than they did after. This doesn't even address the fact that minmatar could always capture all size plexes in gunless frigates and amarr had to wait a few months after inferno for that favor.

That said there were bad decisions made by amarr as well. People like cynthia Nezmor kept telling amarr to defensive plex even though that just fed the minmatar farm alts etc.


I didn't reinvent history, I simply stated what I saw. I said Amarr choose not to fight and try to push back at the start. This was true and maybe you have your reasons but end result is you guys didn't really fight for Sov at the start and that's what set you back the most.

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As I recall Kourm and Kamela were the 2 systems that had more fighting than anywhere else in eve. I believe they are in the amarr minmatar front not caldari gallente space. Amarr fought.

Its just that we were hamstrung by starting the patch with 15% to 85% warzone breakdown. As such many of us had to spend a considerable amount of time moving our assets as well as plexing and many corps decided to just drop from militia altogether.

Moreover we had the bugs which prevented plexes from spawning. This naturally effected amarr more than other militias because amarr needed plexes to spawn more than any other militia. I won't repeat all I said above.

As for the history of what happened in the gallente caldari front I have no reason to dispute what you say.

The strength of the minmatar farm alts was demonstrated by a blog written by Susan Black. She ironically intended to show that the minmatar farmers had little impact. But she failed to realize that the vp of minmatar plexing in caldari space was not recorded. So what we saw was after amarr hit tier 4 and flipped all those systems the minmatar vp immediately shot through the roof as the minmafarm came back home to metro. In fact it was shortly after that turn of events that the caldari was able to do a tier 5 cashout because they were freed from the minmifarm yoke.

The farming was no doubt horrible. But there is no question that the tier cashouts provided a decent midterm goals that all the militias could strive for. Accomplishing them took strategy and organization to accomplish. I know caldari had to deal with allot of minmatar alts farming systems. Now its just a forever grind with no real goals.
SaltyandSweet
Oblivion Watch
HYDRA RELOADED
#104 - 2013-01-16 01:12:07 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
not bitter it just shows how much ccp favor caldari cos they gave them one and also the dt spawns they made us work for it.... oh hidden uv only got blob kill mails of me i have solo ones of you ..... keep dreaming

didnt you know, hidden isint relevant he should be worried bout his terribad alliance holding their sov........
wait...... FA lolololol

Im So Baller I Buy Plex Cuz im too lazy to do PVE!
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#105 - 2013-01-16 02:50:00 UTC
ground ctrl wrote:
People like cynthia Nezmor kept telling amarr to defensive plex even though that just fed the minmatar farm alts etc.



After flying in that area for a bit now and occasionally with/around/near Cynthia - I believe Cynthia Nezmor works very hard for the Amarr Militia.

Without the dplexing Cynthia does the minmatards would creep further toward many Amarr home systems.

Everyone there should be thankful for the effort Cynthia, DCM and the various types of flying pockets do as without them you would all be locked out of lowsec already.

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#106 - 2013-01-16 05:00:20 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
ground ctrl wrote:
People like cynthia Nezmor kept telling amarr to defensive plex even though that just fed the minmatar farm alts etc.



After flying in that area for a bit now and occasionally with/around/near Cynthia - I believe Cynthia Nezmor works very hard for the Amarr Militia.

Without the dplexing Cynthia does the minmatards would creep further toward many Amarr home systems.

Everyone there should be thankful for the effort Cynthia, DCM and the various types of flying pockets do as without them you would all be locked out of lowsec already.



Cynthia also keeps entire minmatar alliances docked up in fear. I have to ask him to go somewhere else for a bit just so they'll undock so I can get fights What?
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#107 - 2013-01-16 05:32:39 UTC
Loki Vice wrote:
As i recall, the caldari got their medal when the held the entire warzone for a pro-longed period of time (well over a few days) you guys are already down 9 systems... you held your warzone for less then a single day... doesn't seem very impressive to me.

Oh ffs, it was over 24 or more hours either way you want to count it, from the taking of last Caldari held system to the taking of the first reclaimed system for the Caldari, or from one downtime to the next and the actual flip from "lost" status to the possession of the other faction.

Also comparing the length of time held is stupid. The systems were taken under different game rules and mechanics. One can, and many of us do, make an argument that it was much easier for the Caldari to take the systems way back when and easier to hold them because CCP didn't give a **** about FW and any built in imbalances. Then of course you have the dynamic female canine quadruped posts of dimmer, dogsquat, mutt, and concealed reptile. They will never stop complaining about the surprise patch and how they convinced themselves it allowed the vast legions of gallente farming alts to take all the systems. They are full of **** but it will never stop.

Anyway, the important point is that the game mechanics were different, and saying one is worthy of a medal and the other not is very flawed reasoning. FW is almost a different game between the two time periods.

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2013-01-16 06:52:20 UTC
Anyone who unironically, seriously makes accusations of CCP pro-Gallente bias are utterly unbelievable.

Caldari held the entire warzone for more than six months when the system had no reward for recapturing systems and was massively tipped in favour of the current occupant of the system. Gallente held the entire warzone for less than a day and then almost immediately lost nine systems and elements of the STPRO are crying foul? Are you serious?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#109 - 2013-01-16 10:19:03 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
ground ctrl wrote:
People like cynthia Nezmor kept telling amarr to defensive plex even though that just fed the minmatar farm alts etc.



After flying in that area for a bit now and occasionally with/around/near Cynthia - I believe Cynthia Nezmor works very hard for the Amarr Militia.

Without the dplexing Cynthia does the minmatards would creep further toward many Amarr home systems.

Everyone there should be thankful for the effort Cynthia, DCM and the various types of flying pockets do as without them you would all be locked out of lowsec already.



Shortly before inferno hit I moved most of my stuff to egg. So I won't get locked out of low sec.

I stopped caring about sov once I realized that ccp was going to let it remain a race to see who can pve more. I don't care to prove I or amarr can out pve the minmatar. For all I care Cynthia can stop his dplexing and let minmatar farm away all the systems.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#110 - 2013-01-16 11:06:38 UTC
SaltyandSweet wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
not bitter it just shows how much ccp favor caldari cos they gave them one and also the dt spawns they made us work for it.... oh hidden uv only got blob kill mails of me i have solo ones of you ..... keep dreaming

didnt you know, hidden isint relevant he should be worried bout his terribad alliance holding their sov........
wait...... FA lolololol


nerdrage spelling is tricky ... right?

well FA is decent bunch of chaps. But I understand that with your attitude it is quite tricky for your mind to accept it. See you soon on the battlefield.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#111 - 2013-01-16 11:09:01 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Anyone who unironically, seriously makes accusations of CCP pro-Gallente bias are utterly unbelievable.

Caldari held the entire warzone for more than six months when the system had no reward for recapturing systems and was massively tipped in favour of the current occupant of the system. Gallente held the entire warzone for less than a day and then almost immediately lost nine systems and elements of the STPRO are crying foul? Are you serious?


Reasons why Gals were even able to gain the wz control are quite clear and CCP is openly supporting gal efforts through CSM and some of its employees. Regain of systems is more or less result of cooperation and exhaust of Gals + that farming blob (part of it) is back in amar space.

And yes Farmville (ie tier system) IS BAD!
Generals4
#112 - 2013-01-16 13:57:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Generals4
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Anyone who unironically, seriously makes accusations of CCP pro-Gallente bias are utterly unbelievable.

Caldari held the entire warzone for more than six months when the system had no reward for recapturing systems and was massively tipped in favour of the current occupant of the system. Gallente held the entire warzone for less than a day and then almost immediately lost nine systems and elements of the STPRO are crying foul? Are you serious?


So you are countering the pro gal ccp bias with the fact CCP allowed (through bad unfixed mechanics) caldari to hold all the sov back when it yielded no reward whatsoever? Surely you can see where your argument went wrong. You know, i'd rather be on that side which was "biased against" when the bias yielded no reward and the one who got favored by a ******** emergency patch which yielded clear tangible benefits.

And with the current mechanics holding 9 systems is almost the same as holding none.

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _
ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#113 - 2013-01-16 17:14:00 UTC
Awesome medals ccp. Thank you. They look great.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#114 - 2013-01-16 19:19:23 UTC
If I remember correctly we all got two days (might of been 1 day) notice on this "ninja" patch. Gallente took advantage and flipped multiple systems before hand, Caldari sat with their thumbs up their ass. It is beyond amusing that all you squids think there was some sort of conspiracy. TBH a lot of guys I see claiming this were not even in militia when this patch was deployed. Pathetic

Generals4 wrote:

So you are countering the pro gal ccp bias with the fact CCP allowed (through bad unfixed mechanics) caldari to hold all the sov back when it yielded no reward whatsoever? Surely you can see where your argument went wrong. You know, i'd rather be on that side which was "biased against" when the bias yielded no reward and the one who got favored by a ******** emergency patch which yielded clear tangible benefits.

And with the current mechanics holding 9 systems is almost the same as holding none.

nom nom
Von Proton
The Ressabiators
#115 - 2013-01-16 20:57:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Von Proton
To whom it may concern:

http://i.imgur.com/FBYa6.gif

Thanks for providing content, as always.

Ps: Props for the ones that are acting with dignity.
SaltyandSweet
Oblivion Watch
HYDRA RELOADED
#116 - 2013-01-16 21:11:48 UTC  |  Edited by: SaltyandSweet
Hidden Snake wrote:
SaltyandSweet wrote:
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
not bitter it just shows how much ccp favor caldari cos they gave them one and also the dt spawns they made us work for it.... oh hidden uv only got blob kill mails of me i have solo ones of you ..... keep dreaming

didnt you know, hidden isint relevant he should be worried bout his terribad alliance holding their sov........
wait...... FA lolololol


nerdrage spelling is tricky ... right?

well FA is decent bunch of chaps. But I understand that with your attitude it is quite tricky for your mind to accept it. See you soon on the battlefield.

Your mouth is clamped tightly on my nutz and i love it.
Snakes Favorite Dish OMNOM!
also FA is terrible in terms of all the sov "power blocs" jussayin.
and yes CCP is helping the gals out i took them our for dinner and drinks on me and then i treated them to some swedish hookers.
on a real note i think its rediculous how caldari are like "huuurrduuurrr ccp is liek healping you guize!!!11!1!" get over it fight back stop plexing back water systems and have some fun.

Im So Baller I Buy Plex Cuz im too lazy to do PVE!
ALUCARD 1208
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#117 - 2013-01-16 22:07:11 UTC
Hidden Snake wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Anyone who unironically, seriously makes accusations of CCP pro-Gallente bias are utterly unbelievable.

Caldari held the entire warzone for more than six months when the system had no reward for recapturing systems and was massively tipped in favour of the current occupant of the system. Gallente held the entire warzone for less than a day and then almost immediately lost nine systems and elements of the STPRO are crying foul? Are you serious?


Reasons why Gals were even able to gain the wz control are quite clear and CCP is openly supporting gal efforts through CSM and some of its employees. Regain of systems is more or less result of cooperation and exhaust of Gals + that farming blob (part of it) is back in amar space.

And yes Farmville (ie tier system) IS BAD!



csm are not ccp there active players from all across new eden that do not write features into the game ...hurrrr durrrr

and ccp on gals side? i thought they was too busy fixing eve for goons than us?

BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
Commissar Veldt
Progressive State
#118 - 2013-01-16 22:48:38 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
The Gallente have just as many farming alts as the Caldari.

"Have" vs. "Had". Back when the plexes were imbalanced, there were definitely more Caldari plexing alts. Now, my guess is that it is even or perhaps higher for Gallente since we have the higher tier. In any case, what we don't see is cross militia plexing in our theater, so the VP numbers are approximately correct - showing each side is plexing about the same.



It is possible that Caldari have more farming alts to be honest... quite a few of our pilots have Gallente alts to take advantage of T4 LP bonuses...

Shame on you. You know who you are. Once list is compiled, named and shamed on forums for all to see... and kill on sight Big smile

It really says something about the whole FW system when it pays more to fight for your opposing faction and not bother about your own. Bah! Wheres the love gone man!
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#119 - 2013-01-17 11:06:35 UTC
SaltyandSweet wrote:

Your mouth is clamped tightly on my nutz and i love it.
Snakes Favorite Dish OMNOM!
also FA is terrible in terms of all the sov "power blocs" jussayin.
and yes CCP is helping the gals out i took them our for dinner and drinks on me and then i treated them to some swedish hookers.
on a real note i think its rediculous how caldari are like "huuurrduuurrr ccp is liek healping you guize!!!11!1!" get over it fight back stop plexing back water systems and have some fun.


My only question is: where is ISD Type40 when you need him the most? Ugh
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#120 - 2013-01-17 11:25:35 UTC
Cynthia Nezmor wrote:

My only question is: where is ISD Type40 when you need him the most? Ugh


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