EVE General Discussion

That's fair and well reasoned.

I'm not sure on the training time difference between a Covert Ops portal and a jump portal on a titan. Just haven't done the math myself on that.

The ability to hot-drop with any ship regardless of type with no penalty strikes me as overpowered compared to the limits in dps and tank that a covert ops fleet has. To me it would seem more balanced to have most ship types that don't natively have a jump drive have some kind of short time limited penalty after using a jump portal to compensate for the surprise and non-static (not coming through a gate or jump bridge) positioning.

Both portals require the same skills to use, the difference is in the amount of time needed to train the ships that can fit them.

There is a time limited penalty - it's the time it takes ships to lock other ships, which is longer for larger ships. It seems to me that part's already taken care of.

I like the way you deflect. Also the article the op mentions talks about logistics more than anything else, but **** that, who cares about staying on topic, amirite?

And you think caps/jump drives originating in wh's are only used for logistics, how quaint. As I said before, I concede to your clear self-evident superior knowledge on this topic.

That's exactly how it should work. Moving a fleet 1 jump? No problem, just need to commit a few cynos. Moving a fleet across the map? Not happening.

Yes, that's all you hear these days from 0.0 players; how it's so alive and thriving.

Guess it is, if what you want to do is sit and milk ISK in the spirit of Vuk Lau – for the rest, not so much.

hey npc corp posters, ask yourselves why all the small-level independent 0.0 alliances have been able to thrive when located within jump range of a trade hub (Providence, Geminate) and that distant areas like Esoteria and Omist have been locked iin the clutches of one bloc or another since forever. Then take your reasonings for this phenomena and apply them to the concept of greatly reducing jump drive capacity.

Fine then, whatever. Going back to your original point, you and anybody else obviously has a right to discuss jump drives. You need to put some reasoned and logical points on the table however.

i thought mass limits on cynos was a boss idea too until i realized that the first thing that would happen is the first bridged ships would be a bunch of additional cyno frigs

That's fine. They can do that for 1 jump, or 2. But if you want to go more than 3 jumps, you need to wait for the first lot to finish their cynos. I have no problem with people using cap fleets, I only have a problem with them getting moved across the map in 5 minutes. And anyway, a defender will see the huge cyno trail across the map and know what's coming.

The mechanics were not opposed because everybody was happy about getting bigger and more expensive toys, with no thought about how it would play out in the long run. Pure selfishness and shortsightedness. You'd think people who had to deal with AoE doomsdays would have thought twice.

Now everyone is acting like they didn't ask for the changes; granted, some were forced on 0.0 by CCP but when it comes to supercaps everyone wanted to play "My ISK beats your ISK".

And "in the spirit of Vuk Lau" is hardly a personal attack. It's an attack on the playstyle of caring **** all for the enjoyment of the massess, in order to appease the egos of the few.

Turns out that being the King of the biggest sandcastle is no fun, when the peasants pity your position, instead of envying it.