EVE General Discussion

seems i have started quite a commotion:

http://themittani.com/features/nerf-without-cause-jump-drives

i always enjoy a good read and the discussion afterwards...

though i may not agree with the points the fact its being talked about is a good thing.

How does making travel harder hurt 1000 people more than 100?

That is an absurdly illogical idea.

Tell us how 100 guys can defend their space and supply lines at the same time, easier than 1000 can.
They can't.

1000 people will always have the advantage over 100. This is a game.

Some people seem to have this absurd idea that "gorilla warfare" can be coded into a video game and work.
Null sec is cuba and you want to be Castro and Che?

Some things can't be translated into a game guys.


PS: 50 thousand people all working together. Yu can't stop that. You can't limit that. There is nothing CCP can do short of going in and constantly disbanding corporations and forcing our ships to shoot when we don't want.

Why do so many people not get this.

Won't know who is right and who is wrong until we try, right? Until that time we can argue about whether "gorilla warfare" will work or not for all eternity. The only difference is that those that want to try it at least strive for change.

Just as much as your side denies our arguments, the other side can do exactly the same. It's up to CCP whether they will decide to experiment and try things or not.

No amount of game code can change human nature. We do what we have to do to thrive, we make ourselves stronge enough to crush our enemies without them being able to hurt us back. No matter what you do people will work together to become powerful. That is what null is about.

You know, then I guess you wouldn't mind if building a titan took 5 minutes or mine out a belt in 1 minute? Cause you know, who has the time to wait for so long for it to finish anyway when you can do other things, like say participate in fleet fights? Heck, why have gates and whatnot else in the first place? Just let all players teleport instantly wherever they want. Minimum hassle, maximum fun, right?

And here I thought that time was an integral part of things that happen in EVE, including travel time. As for organizational issues, that is purely a player issue.

So to make sure I'm clear... you asked me questions pulled out of left field, I answer them, and then you say "who cares"? Roger. You say it isn't the issue, yet you brought it up!

Yes, small groups face a threat of losing their space. Yessir! That's the POINT!!!!! Risk, Versus, Reward. Metagaming. Content. Lack of piggybacking. I understand its hard to fathom when you arm a corpse cannon and can blob things and steamroll. I've been there in other games. I understand the tactic. But you sir are speaking in an absolute in regards to how everyone should play that way when you speak of it. To put it mildly, if we all adopted your playstyle, you would be right. We would all be blue. Scratch that, we would all be Green! Because we would all be one big happy family in one corp owning everything together such as you said.

But that's not true. People want to do different things and at the same time are like minded. Everyone wants to accomplish something, and sometimes those goals are shared, other times they are not. Diplomacy determines which.

And yes, people do sit around for a long time doing nothing. Especially when you are talking about blobs and thousands of people. again why its easier to mobilize as a 100 man bombeer fleet as opposed to a 1,000 BC fleet. Another point thank you for that.

We are not asking to make it longer. That's just a downfall for you. Not everyone is rolling around with your "1,000 corp" whereas a 100 man fleet is closer to the truth.

Sorry to burst THAT bubble.

Like I said before, keep it in perspective.

I honestly didn't read any of what I cut. No point if you start with this nonsense.

You know very well that's not what I did.
The thread has nothing to do with special situations that have no bearing on being able to move a massive fleet with a titan bridge.

CCP created titan bridges to allow people to move large fleets faster. You can't argue against it, and you're trying to do just that by siting unrealated situations were a small group has an advantage.

They work as intended becasue they're being used the way CCP intended them to be. More and more people are in null today then they were prior to jump drives and titan bridges. I haven't even once argued that they are the reason there are more people here, and I sure as **** could.

Nah, I am instead going to nitpick on your comment regarding "games are supposed to be fun". Cause judging from your stance, you're probably having quite a lot of fun with the current EVE, no? Then what about those who are outside the fence with no way of coming in? I mean, there is a reason for why there is this huge discussion about blobs and power projections and whatnot else, right?

Cause, you know, isn't part of the fun also about everyone being able to participate without forcing them into a blob? Fun and fairness (from a game rule/game mechanical perspective obviously, not from EVE metagame perspective) kinda does go hand in hand.

The goal is NOT to have small groups be equal in power as the blobs, like some of you keep insisting of bringing up for whatever stupid reason, let alone give small groups the ability to hold and defend half the galaxy by themselves.

My completely knee-jerk solution?

Disallow jumping anything that is not a JF further than X ly from your nearest SOV and only allow SOV to be taken in systems that border your current SOV.

Low-sec and NPC 0.0 is free-for-all.

You'll either get an EVE with multiple regional conflicts, or 2 big coalitions owning the map... oh wait; guess it can't hurt trying

I agree in the most part with the OP. Old-school null used to be dynamic, fleets moving to where needed, chokepoints etc. Actual fleets moving through space, fighting for territory. These days null is one of the safest places to be, in your respective space. With the constant threat of a titan bridge dropping a whole ton of pain directly on your face with ease, not many alliances can be assed to fight over space these days. I'd argue that the ease of titan bridges are a big factor in the stability of null space, and the fact everyone is blue.

Though i don't think anything will be done to change this. The main people that will resist any change to this system is the alliances themselves. They're making FAR to much isk, hand-over-fist, to make changes that could threaten the stability of their space.

Nice idea though. You might as well try to change the mechanics of moon-goo while your at it.