Warfare & Tactics

There was an increase in plex fighting before inferno due to the down time plex spawn change.

Then there was a sweet spot about 2 months after inferno when there were tons of fights in plexes. But that sort of died off and stagnated. There was not noticably more fights after the 10/22 date than there was before.

Before the 10/22 date I was able to make about 400 million isk per hour as amarr just by hitting a tier 4 cashout. Now its much less but that is in part due to the deflation of all the lp. The lp I wanted to hold on to waiting for our militia to get its act together for a tier 5 cash out was wasted by ccp changing the rules. I think allot of amarr got screwed by this.

The rats are much better now than ever before I agree.

Station lockouts still suck as bad as they did when inferno hit.

Its still the case that the best way to win the occupancy war is to get alts hiding in plexes and orbitting buttons.

Overall its pretty much the same crap with a few sprinkles thrown on top.

In before XG links a random killmail and claims he got that kill within 2.3 seconds of logging in.

People will tell you they get all sorts of fights but when you look at the killboard and the time in between decent fights you see that quality pvp in faction war is not all that frequent.

How about you forum whores quit filling W&T with noise? Please go to IGS and post with all the other players in Eve who never actually log in and undock their ships. TIA.

Don't forget the part about logging in and actually playing the game.

They did curb the farming with this patch - caldari were hitting 70k VP/day, even broke 100 VP/day in the previous iteration. Now we're seeing it top out around 20k vp/day if things are really active.

The sea saw affect isn't there, but honestly, I don't think it was that strong. The only reason we had a see-saw is because of the diagonal militias being powerful. If both gal/min or cal/amarr had gained the upper hand, then I think that the winning militias would have just had their dread alts to pop their own bunkers (I know the gals and minnies were working on a few).

Amarr only got their cash out because of Nulli.
Gallente only got their cash out because the minmatar came over.

The minmatar and caldari farmers were just too strong otherwise.

TL;DR the farming was greatly reduced from the previous iteration to this one.

Oh yeah, and of course I'm not a CCP employee. This is just a joke that's gotten carried away after one of Damar's many accusations against me.

The seesaw effect was strong, because there were balances in place to cause it. No lp for defensive plexing. None. There is no way one side could remain dominant for too long with that. Also the incentive was to join the side that was at the low tier so you could cash in when they got enough systems vulnerable to flip. The october changes ruined these subtle balance mechanics.



Thats not true. Nulli increased the pace a bit but then they threw in the towel early.

Amarr took a while to get their act together for several reasons. There were people like Cyntia Nezmor telling everyone to try to defensive plex systems when it was just feeding minmifarm. Plus we got hit the hardest of all the factions from the station lockouts. We immediately lost about half of our old guard. At the same time we had allot of new corps who had plenty to learn when it comes to faction war beside the finer points of occupancy strategy. So yes it took a while to get things sorted. But we were starting to get our **** together.

I think Amarr would be able to hit tier 5 if the anti farming measures were taken earlier - even without nulli.

But even if we couldn't ccp could have easilly tweaked the old system to make it so we could. How to tweak it would depend on what phase of the cashout we were having trouble with. For example if we couldn't get enough systems vulnerable they could have reduced the vp for defensive plexing. If we couldn't flip enough systems before the minmatar started capturing systems again they could have made it so plexes wouldn't start spawn until a certain amount of time passed from the last flip of the system.


Instead ccp removed the few balances in the system and turned plexing into a neverending grind.





that is my point. You and several others are conflating the anti farming measures with the change in the tier system. The tier system changes did nothing but remove balance and add momentum to the winning side. There were no other balancing measures added to replace them other than a general nerf.

The anti farming measures were good. If they were taken with the old tier system the game would be much better than it is now.

I haven't gone through the killboard. I am not saying that its impossible to occassionally get days where I would get 4-7 fights in 2 hours. Sometimes that happens. But I am saying 3 things:

1) You can't reliably get 4-7 decent fights per 2 hours of play.

2) Its very easy to lose track of time playing this game.

3) CCP could easilly make it so you can reliably get 4-7 decent fights per 2 hours while acually fighting the sov war as effectively as you can.

1) Meh. Mechanics support good pvp. What is YOUR definition of good fights?

2) This is YOUR issue NOT CCP's

3) No it's not thier job to get YOU GF's. They give you the sandbox and mechanics. It's up to YOU to get the fights not CCP.


Mate it sounds like you are playing the wrong game. Try guild wars or such.

I'm not familiar with guild.

I agree they give us mechanics. Unfortunately they are choosing mechanics that are not conducive to frequent quality pvp. Why not have make faction war involve more pvp? Thats all I want.


FW being determined less on who can multi box more alts in back systems, and more on who is better at pvp. Why is that so objectionable?

This is all good and fine but one of the problems with the new system is it essentially limits the fights to just those small cheap ships. The fights also now revolve more around derping a bunch of frigs into a plex vs what we used to have with BC & BS frights.

Yes I'm sure the frig & dessie rebalance is good and the new plexing system goes hand in hand with those ships, but we have lost an important part of what FW was with those changes. FW has turned largely into another RvB with these changes and solely revolves around fighting for a handful of systems, mainly in frigs and dessies.

We no longer have BC & BS fights and the need for real FC's or the need to push your corp/Militia into building competent fleet doctrines is really no longer existent. IMO these changes have largely dumbed down the fighting, which is one of the reasons I'm not happy with it. ( not even getting into the farmville issues)

When we built our corp if we wanted to compete we had to work on building a solid fleet doctrine. We pushed all of our guys many just weeks into the game to fly BC's. We created a fleet doctrine around the Nanno Drake paired up with Arti Tornados to sort of be our ships of the line.

We spent a lot of time creating fast track skill plans and teaching guys how to use the ships and just as we get close to our goal, CCP changes FW to be dumbed down Frig & dessie PVP and now it's a waste of time to fly the BC's as they wont fit in 99% of the plexes and all the fights are in plexes.

We are talking several months of wasted effort, just to go back to having our corp fly frigs and destroyers.