EVE New Citizens Q&A

If your main goal is to maximize isk/hr in high sec mission farms then yes just buy a "X" pilot from the bazaar. You'll be able to have the lvl80 ships in a day. When you get bored of farming red plus signs sell it and get a mackinaw pilot to farm rocks. That way you don't have to wait to reach the end game content for high sec.

You could be in a T1 logistics cruiser within 12 days, I reckon. Certainly a Logi frigate.

EVE Is not pay to win.

it is pay to lose more.

I made this to show what I mean Pay To Lose More

Sure, but can you fit it effectively? Do you have the skills for an effective module fit? A shiny new cruiser doesn't mean a heck of a lot if you can't do what you're supposed to do with it, and just have the prereqs isn't enough. It's going to take me nine more days (with +3 implants) just to get Electronics and Engineering to a 5, and that's not including Weapons Upgrades.

And I'll add that a purchased toon might have all those skills, but for a new player, a lot of playing EVE is trial and error. It's a lot of, "that was a dumb fit/tactic/etc so let me try again." And you get to do all these flying around in cheap ships and it's a not a big deal. It does seem to me to be a big deal if a new player has an bazillion SP toon and has no idea what to do with it.

The day I got my first battleship was a memorable one. I had built it myself, and it waited in my hangar until the day I could finally pilot it.

The next day I lost that battleship.

i realized that happened because it took a lot of different tactics / strategy / etc. than the battlecruiser I had mastered. It had nothing to do with skill points.

I think earning what you have has merit to it and I would not have the appreciation for my character that I now have if I had not earned it. Is it hard first starting out? Definitely, but the easy route is not always the best route, imo. I also believe that learning as a noobie as apposed to buying a character will help you out in the long run.

"Nothing worth having is easy" is a quote I think many can appreciate. If it's easily obtained then it can be obtained by all and it won't give you that sense of accomplishment, it won't drive you to better yourself.

With miners, buying a char is probably a good idea. Mining in a Hulk is exactly the same as mining in a Venture, why bother waiting 2 months?

If your only goal in EVE is to run level 4 missions, again, this is a skill that can be learned in a couple of hours, why bother grinding your way through L1, L2, L3 which are just the same thing when you get down to it, just with smaller ships.

As for pvp, with bad skills you will lose even to terrible people just because of a lack of dps or tank. You can still do your learning in T1 fit frigates even with a higher skilled character, and you won't have the annoyance of doing *everything* right and still dying because of his numbers arbitrarily being bigger than your numbers.

I'd like to note though, that going out and buying some 100M SP character funded by RL cash is probably a bad move as you don't get as much bang for your buck. Going out and buying a < 10M SP character with some good core skills trained for a few useful specific ships IS a good idea.

Overall, I'd say go for it. EVE is not really as hard to learn as people make it sound. You certainly don't need to **** around in a badly skilled char for six months to learn things.

Buying a wrench, doesn't provide plumbing skills. Character bazaar is a hardware store, a great option for people who are experienced in the game, need a toon for a (or several) specific task(s), but don't want to wait 6 months skilling them.

So the option of buying a character exists, indeed, but even if you messed up the skillsheet in the first 6 months it can still be fixed and after a few months, SP doesn't mean much anyway, it's mostly about queueing up another skill every few days or weeks. That's why most people tend to say that buying a char as a newb is a bad idea, because people measuring the possible enjoyment with the number of SP their character has, just don't understand the game.

Don't pretend the few rank 4 skills to shove in the queue in order to fix a skillsheet are discouraging, if the guy hasn't found anything fun to do in 6 months in the game, EVE probably just isn't the game for him, it wouldn't have made a difference if he started with a whole shipline available. The game remains the same and after those 6 months, if queueing up a skill that's 7 days long is already depressing, then it will only get worse later on.

So, following the thread's title, as stated in my previous post, no, it isn't economical, therefor not smart for a noob to start with a toon from the bazaar, it requires more cash upfront and with neutral standings, even with 10mil SP you have to start by running L1 missions in a frigate, then L2s in a dessy, L3s in a BC, etc... no matter how much SP you have, if you start PVPing, you will lose a lot... someone mentionned mining because the act of mining itself is the same from rookie ship to hulk, but then again, I can make 20bil per month and more with characters that never live more than 51 days and never exceed 2mil SP.

Now, there's an disguised topic lingering here: can a noob make a PLEX each month to pay for the game if he pays upfront for a toon from the bazaar? That's the major topic: "I can't run the juicy L4s because I need 6 months of skilling to get into a battleship" or "I can't make mountains of ISK with a hulk because it takes more months to skill up" and finally "I can't PVP because everyone will beat the crap out of me, I can't afford big boats and they will always have more skillpoints".

Answer to that remains the same, there's little chances for a genuinely new player to make enough ISK each month for a PLEX, with or without 10mil SP. It can be done, if you know the game already and again, SP doesn't mean as much as some people make it sound.

As for PVP, having XYZmil SP doesn't mean you will defeat everyone that has less, far from it. Every job has its best tool, every ship and fitting has a counter. A new player can defeat a vet. Granted, the vet will usually have the actual experience of the game to avoid being caught with his pants down or being able to dodge the bullet, but that has nothing to do with SP.

One other reason people tend to discourage new players from buying a character to learn the game: if the idea is to kill mobs day long to grind ISK fro a PLEX, grinding ISK becomes a necessity to continue playing, to grind ISK to continue playing... and so on. Then comes a little thrasher in the mission pocket that blows the big battleship, the symbol of the grinding and the PLEX... So what did the guy achieve in the end, spent his time grinding for ISK instead of enjoying the game and rage over the loss of this vital tool.

In a few days it'll be one year since I started playing, my skillsheet is still as messed up as it was 6 months ago, but I still have fun playing this game, whatever ship I fly (EDIT: and I never flown a battleship yet), because I've made great friends in EVE, it's first and foremost a MMO where the fun comes from playing with others, being a group makes SP less meaningful.

I am of the old school of thought, if it is easy to get it has no value.
This EVE is more about the journey than getting into an endgame.
The social interaction in game has more value than skill points.
Taking shortcuts automatically groups you with others that feel shortcuts are smart.
And separates from those that feel otherwise.

And that is what is great about EVE, It caters to all.
A lot of people would think that the way i play the game is dumb.
I like checking all parts of EVE.
I learn new things every day and will probably have enough content to keep me going for a long time.

You don't need any skills at all to commandeer any ship from a frigate up to a titan. All you need is something heavy to hit the current pilot over the back of the head with