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Yvon Severasse
Kuda-Tian Advanced Security
#1 - 2013-01-15 13:03:27 UTC
With the recent discovery of the technology making it possible for the mercs from DUST to instantaneously "download" upon their deaths, is it possible for the same thing to be true for our crews as well? I, like some on eve, dislike the thought of losing ships because of the fact that others will inevitably be killed as well. I believe the integration of DUST technology into our ships will help with the burden that the loss of a ship has on our conscience. I would like to know CCP's opinion on the matter.

Regardless, I plan on role-playing with the thought anyway. I fail to see why it would not be possible.
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#2 - 2013-01-15 14:54:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Altrue
I entierly agree to your point, but sadly I have to add that dust implants require, like for capsules, a very strict genetic pattern to be able to use these.

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Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-01-15 15:35:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Qvar Dar'Zanar
Would somebody want to crew your ship for all eternity with a 1 ISK/year profit, or would they rather become a mercenary (they can't die anyway) and make themselves rich? The investment and risks to become one are the same.
Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-01-15 17:49:48 UTC
Dust implants would work from everything from emergency services, to ship crew, and beyond... But the idea of paying a firefighter a few million or billion isk a year has the same problem as paying each crew member. Plus, while requiring less training than a capsuleer, dust bunnies are still quite rare. so getting a few hundred or thousand of them to crew your ship would be prohibitively expensive and almost impossible to find that many of them.

May work for a frigate, like an interceptor or such, but crew is optional at that point to begin with.

I am not saying no, that doesn't work at all in lore, but its a pretty huge order to say you have a few hundred of them working as your crew. However it would be reasonable to say you have A high ranking commander on your ship to keep discipline and stuff.
Marcion Cravik
Phoibe Enterprises
#5 - 2013-01-15 18:16:59 UTC
Isn't the range of Dust clone activation a little bit limited for interstellar dying? Templar One stated a CRU needs to be close to the battlefield, so we're talking about mere kilometers.
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2013-01-15 20:42:59 UTC
Indeed. The closest you could come to using the DUST tech for ship crews is if you installed the hub in a POS or station you knew there would be a fight near soon, and then only fought with your fleet in a very limited range of that point. I suppose you could try installing it in a supercapital you expect to survive the fight but that's dependent on pushing that ship into the fight before anything else goes down, and then keeping it there.
Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-01-15 22:50:34 UTC
The range may not be as big of an issue as you would first think. Ships have escape pods on them already for the majority of the crew, and the dust clone technology is quite very small. A specialized pod could be adapted and launched shortly after the ships primary tank was broken (be it shields or armor). This would allow your dust bunnies to stay and do duties on the ship well after its sane to do so. Still, again that cost thing comes up again. It would be very expensive for almost no notable difference.
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-01-15 23:07:24 UTC
Well surely it would improve morale in many ships with crazy capsuleer owners.
Ghost Hunter
True Slave Foundations
#9 - 2013-01-15 23:53:33 UTC
Yvon Severasse wrote:
With the recent discovery of the technology making it possible for the mercs from DUST to instantaneously "download" upon their deaths, is it possible for the same thing to be true for our crews as well? I, like some on eve, dislike the thought of losing ships because of the fact that others will inevitably be killed as well. I believe the integration of DUST technology into our ships will help with the burden that the loss of a ship has on our conscience. I would like to know CCP's opinion on the matter.

Regardless, I plan on role-playing with the thought anyway. I fail to see why it would not be possible.


DUST-style cloning requires a genetic viability, similar to how Capsuleers have a genetic viability for the Capsule. However, their respective technologies do not translate : One cannot be the other, ever.

Crew cloning is something of a Big Deal™, and a particular reason why Sansha's Nation is also very effective as a military power. Somehow, the Nation has made it viable to mass clone not only its military personnel, but presumably its civilian and non-combative aspects as well. DUST cloning cannot do this, mostly by Word of God, due to its heavily limited scope.

Other forms of cloning exist, but they are inferior to the three above mentioned. 'Back ups' are a common solution in the roleplayer community, where people 'soft scan' for a clone. This doesn't destroy the neural matter, but has the trade off of not being able to keep the clone 'up to date'. When the person dies, all memories they acquired since the last update are gone.

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