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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#61 - 2013-01-15 16:23:54 UTC
KaarBaak wrote:
Kopfy wrote:
Ok, you see, when booting up, precisely after the first screen of text, you press del or f10 to get into the BIOS (the two I've encountered). Then you set your first boot device to CDROM or similar if you are going to install from a disk.

Then you install Linux Mint. Install Wine and playonlinux through Synaptics. Open playonlinux and select EVE and... Oh you're talking about windows? Never mind then. >.>


See? There you go. MUCH easier than using the perfectly functional OS that came per-loaded and pre-configured on your PC.

Seriously, if the OP is incapable of removing a partition and installing a different OS, I think sending him/her down the Linux/WINE road is fraught with pain and anxiety.

He/she has been given explicit instruction how to do it and plenty of advice not to do it. At this point, any further response from in has to be trolling.

He/she should go with the last thing stated: take the PC to a computer store and let someone who knows what they're doing take care of it.

KB


He'll have to be prepared for the laugher and eye rolling if he does, but on the bright side they might talk him out of his folly. Smile

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Semorak
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2013-01-15 16:32:14 UTC
Braxus Deninard wrote:
Is this a joke? Windows 8 has the exact same interface as Windows 7 (desktop environment etc, the only change is the lack of the start button, big whoop!), you can turn off the "metro" touch interface with one click, and then you can stop it from ever appearing again.

There is no logical reason to downgrade, W8 has some nice speed improvements over W7 as well.


Agreed. I noticed a slight speed improvement when upgrading. The metro screen is easily disabled.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#63 - 2013-01-15 16:34:08 UTC
Semorak wrote:
Agreed. I noticed a slight speed improvement when upgrading. The metro screen is easily disabled.
Right… define “disabled”.
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#64 - 2013-01-15 16:57:06 UTC
Semorak wrote:
Braxus Deninard wrote:
Is this a joke? Windows 8 has the exact same interface as Windows 7 (desktop environment etc, the only change is the lack of the start button, big whoop!), you can turn off the "metro" touch interface with one click, and then you can stop it from ever appearing again.

There is no logical reason to downgrade, W8 has some nice speed improvements over W7 as well.


Agreed. I noticed a slight speed improvement when upgrading. The metro screen is easily disabled.



^^This. I've actually re-purposed several "junk" XP laptops because they run Win8 better than they ever ran XP. Even an old Fujitsu tablet/laptop that's been sitting on the shelf for 2 years is back in circulation (with users asking if we can get more...LOL).

Tippia: disabled = I don't see the Metro interface ever.

That said, I couldn't recommend anyone upgrade from Win7 to Win8. There just isn't enough new to justify the cost or even the 5 minutes it takes to turn off the Metro interface. The differences in desktop implementations of both are so nuanced and specific that you would know if you need Win8.

But, given a choice between Win8 and XP, it's just plain counter-intuitive to do what the OP asks. And if the OP is really as tech-capable/incapable as he/she indicates, there is nothing but sadness and frustration in their future if they continue down the downgrade path.

KB

Dum Spiro Spero

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#65 - 2013-01-15 17:50:54 UTC
Hans Hoff wrote:
Hi Guys.
I just bought a new comp with widows 8 on it. This may be great for people who are into touch screen monitors and Ti Chi but it's not for me.
I put in my tried and true XP disk but I cant get the boot to get it running.
EvE attracts people of over average intelligence therefore I posted on here because I'm sure that one of you guys will be able to give me the information I need to ditch the chit and get back to XP.
Thanks in advance for any help and suggestions.
Regards Dave


Win8 does not require touch screens: check

Win8 works perfectly with keyboard/mouse: check

Win8 start way faster than win7 : check way faster on turn off: also check

Windows 8 Metro interface sucks ass: also check -can you change it? -absolutely

Downside: Eve is better suited for Win XP than even Windows Vista (terrible)

Conclusion: You should try to buy an old Pentium to play eve and keep you new PC for everything else.

For the "I put in my tried and true XP disk but I cant get the boot to get it running." -you obviously didn't understood you can.

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Alua Oresson
Aegis Ascending
Solyaris Chtonium
#66 - 2013-01-15 18:04:59 UTC
I too was upset and annoyed about the metro style interface for Windows 8. I got Windows 8 anyways due some reviews showing the performance increases. The metro style stuff really annoyed me for about a week, then I got used to it. I got my programs ordered into groups by association, hit the windows key and can launch all of my Eve stuff (Eve, Eve, TS3, Mumble, Jabber, Garpa) with very little effort, and be on my way. I see the metro screen maybe once or twice a day. It really isn't as big an issue as people are making it out to be.

As for downgrading to XP, that has got to be one of the most pants on head ideas I have heard. I ran XP until Windows 7 came out. I think most power users skipped Vista. But staying back when your OS is over a decade old and no longer really supported is not a good idea.

One other issue is that you may, in fact be unable to downgrade to a lower OS. I believe the Windows 8 laptops have the UEFI secureboot tech. That is going to preclude you from installing ANY operating system that lacks that functionality. That leaves you with Windows 8 and the bigger Linux distros.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#67 - 2013-01-15 18:06:33 UTC
KaarBaak wrote:
Tippia: disabled = I don't see the Metro interface ever.
Yeah, no. There is no way to do that since No-onger-Metro is too deeply ingrained in Win8. You can kind of keep the start screen at bay, but the rest of Metro is unavoidable since many core components only exist as metro implementations, and the move in that direction will only continue. You can't disable the metro framework without disabling Win8 entirely. So you're constantly seeing the Metro interface with its ****-poor discoverability and near-complete lack of integration with standard desktop inputs (with the former being a direct consequence of the latter), but you're confusing Metro with the Start Screen. The Start Screen is just the most blatant and in-your-face flaw of the framework.

The fundamental flaw of Win8 is that it tries to make two completely separate environments exist side-by-side by making one a subset of the other… except it's in the wrong order: desktop is a metro app, rather than the oher way around. Granted, none of this comes as a surprise as MS is desperate to get people accustomed to Metro — even if it means cramming it down people's throats — so they will stand a chance to gain the familiarity and traction of iOS, but that still doesn't make it any less ill-suited for a desktop environment.
Hrothgar Nilsson
#68 - 2013-01-15 18:17:08 UTC
Toku Jiang wrote:
Windows 8 blows hard. The menus are all in weird places, the interaction sucks, its full of all kinds of suck. I'm not sure what they were aiming for on windows 8, but like all windows operating systems you skip one generation before buying the next windows 98 - skip windows ME - XP - skip vista - Windows 7 - skip 8 - next generation.

There was an alternative in there between 98 and XP.... Windows 2000. It worked beautifully for me until I got Windows XP a couple years after it came out.
Alua Oresson
Aegis Ascending
Solyaris Chtonium
#69 - 2013-01-15 18:25:56 UTC
Tippia wrote:
KaarBaak wrote:
Tippia: disabled = I don't see the Metro interface ever.
Yeah, no. There is no way to do that since No-onger-Metro is too deeply ingrained in Win8. You can kind of keep the start screen at bay, but the rest of Metro is unavoidable since many core components only exist as metro implementations, and the move in that direction will only continue. You can't disable the metro framework without disabling Win8 entirely. So you're constantly seeing the Metro interface with its ****-poor discoverability and near-complete lack of integration with standard desktop inputs (with the former being a direct consequence of the latter), but you're confusing Metro with the Start Screen. The Start Screen is just the most blatant and in-your-face flaw of the framework.

The fundamental flaw of Win8 is that it tries to make two completely separate environments exist side-by-side by making one a subset of the other… except it's in the wrong order: desktop is a metro app, rather than the oher way around. Granted, none of this comes as a surprise as MS is desperate to get people accustomed to Metro — even if it means cramming it down people's throats — so they will stand a chance to gain the familiarity and traction of iOS, but that still doesn't make it any less ill-suited for a desktop environment.


I do agree that, on the whole, the "metro" stuff from a UI standpoint is fairly bass ackwards. I think that the speed improvements that have been made under the hood are a balancing factor that more than makes up for the dodgy UI.

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#70 - 2013-01-15 18:27:14 UTC
Tippia wrote:
You can't disable the metro framework without disabling Win8 entirely.


I can not agree on this, maybe I'm misunderstanding the point you're trying to make but I have no problem at all with Win8 features/stuff/my usual work programs and games (except Eve)

I have actually this one disabled (metro) and I see no difference at all in performance or whatever point you're trying to make.
Gaming benchmarks give me the exact same numbers, Overclocking bench's give me the same numbers, I'm still using Firefox and every other program I used to (professional) without a single issue, I can play even that terrible Blacklight Retribution FPS game with GC settings on top without a problem, it's just Eve that runs that bad on it for me which is not and will never be a valid reason for me to not upgrade from my previous OS.

What is exactly that doesn't run at all or badly when you disable the Metro interface? -personally I can't see the difference but I'm missing something maybe.

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POKER CHIP
Ferengi Trade Authority
#71 - 2013-01-15 18:37:13 UTC
Windows 8 is great it is 99% the same as 7.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#72 - 2013-01-15 19:00:44 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
I can not agree on this, maybe I'm misunderstanding the point you're trying to make but I have no problem at all with Win8 features/stuff/my usual work programs and games (except Eve)
My point is that all the Metro stuff in Win8 has no place in the OS. It's only there to habituate users to the UI so MS can try to push more mobile appliances, rather than to improve the user interaction and usability of the OS — in fact, in rather does the exact opposite.

Metro goes far beyond just the Start Screen and Metro as a whole cannot be disabled without losing critical core services in the process. Unfortunately, all of these services are primarily designed for a (multi)touch experience on limited real-estate, where there are already a couple of conventions that are tied directly to that kind of input. In the transition to a desktop environment, those conventions are no longer applicable and many of the improvements that make the mobile implementations more discoverable have actually been lost in the process (that last bit is particularly silly: not only did they make a mobile-OS port a core part of the desktop UI, the port was incomplete so the visual language actually becomes inconsistent between the two).

None of the assumptions that drive this UI are true for a desktop, and yet they've decided to make the desktop environment a special case of the mobile one, thus retaining those mobile roots, rather than do it the other way around the way OSX has been receiving back-ported features from iOS over the last couple of releases. They chose to retain the desktop foundations and added (easily ignored) functionality that emulated the mobile experience as an optional layer on top of the standard desktop environment. The end result of this ass-backwards approach is a fundamentally schizophrenic desktop OS that is pretty much totally unsuited for its environment with no way of rectifying those problems since they're hard-coded and only available as Metro interfaces.

Worse, the stated goal is to Metro:ify everything on the platform, even though that would ruin and irreversibly remove every bit of functionality that made window-based desktop computing such a massive hit… Ugh

Quote:
What is exactly that doesn't run at all or badly when you disable the Metro interface?
Windows 8, should you actually be able to hack out all of Metro… which you can't.
You can't get rid of Metro any more than you could get rid of GDI in XP.
Brandon Syne
Straxus Innovations
#73 - 2013-01-15 19:04:31 UTC
Windows 7 doesn't do anything XP doesn't for EVE unless you're > 4 accounts at once, when 64 bit becomes useful for the extra RAM.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#74 - 2013-01-15 19:19:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
If I recall, Windows 8 computers _must_ support Trusted Platform Module (TPM), and will not boot non-approved operating systems.

There may be a BIOS setting to disable this.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#75 - 2013-01-15 19:36:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Tippia wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
I can not agree on this, maybe I'm misunderstanding the point you're trying to make but I have no problem at all with Win8 features/stuff/my usual work programs and games (except Eve)
My point is that all the Metro stuff in Win8 has no place in the OS. It's only there to habituate users to the UI so MS can try to push more mobile appliances, rather than to improve the user interaction and usability of the OS — in fact, in rather does the exact opposite.

Metro goes far beyond just the Start Screen and Metro as a whole cannot be disabled without losing critical core services in the process. Unfortunately, all of these services are primarily designed for a (multi)touch experience on limited real-estate, where there are already a couple of conventions that are tied directly to that kind of input. In the transition to a desktop environment, those conventions are no longer applicable and many of the improvements that make the mobile implementations more discoverable have actually been lost in the process (that last bit is particularly silly: not only did they make a mobile-OS port a core part of the desktop UI, the port was incomplete so the visual language actually becomes inconsistent between the two).

None of the assumptions that drive this UI are true for a desktop, and yet they've decided to make the desktop environment a special case of the mobile one, thus retaining those mobile roots, rather than do it the other way around the way OSX has been receiving back-ported features from iOS over the last couple of releases. They chose to retain the desktop foundations and added (easily ignored) functionality that emulated the mobile experience as an optional layer on top of the standard desktop environment. The end result of this ass-backwards approach is a fundamentally schizophrenic desktop OS that is pretty much totally unsuited for its environment with no way of rectifying those problems since they're hard-coded and only available as Metro interfaces.

Worse, the stated goal is to Metro:ify everything on the platform, even though that would ruin and irreversibly remove every bit of functionality that made window-based desktop computing such a massive hit… Ugh

Quote:
What is exactly that doesn't run at all or badly when you disable the Metro interface?
Windows 8, should you actually be able to hack out all of Metro… which you can't.
You can't get rid of Metro any more than you could get rid of GDI in XP.


I believe the main point is that even though the Metro interface may not be ideal, he would be far better served to learn how to use it (with perhaps certain parts disabled to make that process easier) than to take on the many inevitable (and potentially insurmountable) drawbacks he will face trying to load XP on his new machine.

There WILL be serious issues getting this machine to operate correctly with XP, if it will even accept it at all. Less immediate but potentially more serious in the long run will be the lack of support for XP and it's many security flaws.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#76 - 2013-01-15 19:47:42 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
I believe the main point is that even though the Metro interface may not be ideal, he would be far better served to learn how to use it (with perhaps certain parts disabled to make that process easier) than to take on the many inevitable (and potentially insurmountable) drawbacks he will face trying to load XP on his new machine.

There WILL be serious issues getting this machine to operate correctly with XP, if it will even accept it at all. Less immediate but potentially more serious in the long run will be the lack of support for XP and it's many security flaws.

Oh yes, I'm not arguing that. XP needs to taken out back and shot in the face, burned, buried, plowed, and used as seed bed for energy forest so it can be burned again…

…but this whole “just disable Metro” knee-jerk excuse annoys me. Metro needs to meet the same end as XP, but unfortunately, MS seems to have decided to go down that old IE path again in their quest to beat Apple, so I'm fearful that we'll only get more of it in Win9. Cry
Hrothgar Nilsson
#77 - 2013-01-15 19:55:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Hrothgar Nilsson
Quote:
in their quest to beat Apple

Windows is and has been beating Apple for more than two decades as far as PCs are concerned.

Apple's PC strategy is basically leveraging their OS and a nice design (somewhat substantive for laptops, but more superficial for PCs) to sell the same hardware components at a 50-100% markup over everybody else's prices. Very profitable, but not a model for market dominance.

Not really sure why Microsoft (if they do) have a false inferiority complex.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#78 - 2013-01-15 19:58:43 UTC
Andski wrote:
try a 3 year old OS like windows 7 rather than an 11 year old dinosaur


vista, 7, and 8 are the same OS.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#79 - 2013-01-15 20:06:52 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Windows 8, should you actually be able to hack out all of Metro… which you can't.
You can't get rid of Metro any more than you could get rid of GDI in XP.



Except those live services I don't need at all (the ones disabled and some suppressed), I see no difference at all. My bureau is exactly the same as it was with previous OS version, some small stuff changed how I can access to it but it's clearly easier and faster for me.

Do I need live mail? -no
Do I need IE? -no
Do I need whatever live crap information delivered with Metro interface? -no

Does it run my favorite mail/office/browser/upload/download faster than ever? -yes
Do I want to get the best out of my hardware? -yes
Is Win8 well suited for this? -I'm not an expert so I trust all those pro/con expert arguments and got to the conclusion, for my use, this Win8 is just excellent, actually it's the very first time I'm happy with a Win version after XP

It's just me but I really think people don't like the "touch screen" like interface and got bitter without even trying to adapt or actually use it. Those who already did and after a couple days to get used to it clearly see the performance difference.

Anyway, we can disagree in specific terms or uses etc it's ok, I can also accept CCP not willing to provide more support for Win8 than Linux or Mac after all it's their business, where I'm a little bit disappointed is the fact I'll have to get rid of my favorite game at some point because it got too old for my "not that new" stuff and can't play it correctly.
This sucks, but I can live with it as I did when I couldn't find DOS games anymore (don't even know if those still exist hehe)

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StabThigh
Amarrshmellow
#80 - 2013-01-15 20:27:13 UTC
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
Hans Hoff wrote:
Andski wrote:
try a 3 year old OS like windows 7 rather than an 11 year old dinosaur

I own a copy of windows XP and after windows 8 I will be F****ked if I give Bill Gates one more cent.
I checked out the net for alternative os BUT MOST SEEM TO BE STILL IN THE DEVELOPMENT STAGE..
Until about an hour ago I was running 4 accounts on an old comp using XP. It has got a loose connection somewhere and I have left it running since early December.. The power cut about an hour ago has made me decide to drag this comp out of its box and fire it up. I would appreciate information how to uninstall windows 8 a replace it with XP.
Although opinions are interesting they are not really helpful.



Dude agree with you, me to got XP and long time ago i was able to run 4x eve client very smooth, i can even play skyrim on full details and crysis 2 on it with full details, these days I pod generation dislike xp users ;) Long live XP! ;D i wont buy new os for few titles like battlefied 3, crysic 3, or new hitman, maybe in future;p

I got windows 7 on modern laptop but my main computer is based on xp which is 4 years old ;D still use it as main computer to run EvE and other games.



uuuhhhhhhh.... crysis 2 uses a version of directX that XP won't.... I don't think you're running games on full, bud.