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Collective front launched against the New Order, James315 and miner bumping.

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Emperor Crash Zues
Guns N'Ore
#481 - 2013-01-15 13:41:06 UTC
tai oras wrote:
Seems rather odd that the only ones posting in this thread for the most part are the miner bumping forum trolls.

You offer the same drivel in game and move quickly to staunch any resistance, less another view point be offered. This is simply an effort to maintain profitability for your shareholders, not some self proclaimed crusade. Miners have isk, duh, cash cows because they aren't ready to think beyond the end of a laser beam.

You come to forums as you come to systems, announcing your superiority but offering nothing but fear and intimidation.

If you are indeed the geat caped crusaders of high sec, why does your church of fail list profit and shares purchase as major parts of this effort? I don't buy shares in the Catholic Church....as an example. Is that worth a new Miner Bingo Square?
Then there is the ice bot fleet in Misneden that seems to "magically" never suffer any pain....obviously.

IF the OP wants to fight, welcome it. It would make hi sec a tad more interesting if everyone had the great galvanizing cause.

Let people be the Crusaders of Ice, you have your little alt fleets of spam and gank. Happiness in perpetuity.

The garden of EVE-n

Yea me and several other miners were going round and round about this whole whole mining thing and frankly the new order agent made the new order sound more cultish then anything I've ever heard in RL.
Singular Snowflake
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#482 - 2013-01-15 13:55:22 UTC
Emperor Crash Zues wrote:

Yea me and several other miners were going round and round about this whole whole mining thing and frankly the new order agent made the new order sound more cultish then anything I've ever heard in RL.


Me and my peers
don't understand our betters.
They must be a cult.
Zerese Aleacosu
Doomheim
#483 - 2013-01-15 14:10:42 UTC
I am paying one-hundred million isk for the corpse of James315. First come first served.
Emperor Crash Zues
Guns N'Ore
#484 - 2013-01-15 14:50:19 UTC
Zerese Aleacosu wrote:
I am paying one-hundred million isk for the corpse of James315. First come first served.

well if I knew where to find him i might get a crew together and try for that. Any of you NO's knight and agents willing to give that info?
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#485 - 2013-01-15 15:07:22 UTC
James is often seen in the systems that have been freed by the New Order, he even lists these systems on his blog.

Or is this just another excuse for inaction - "oh I couldnt find him even though he advertises exactly what system he's going to be liberating!"
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#486 - 2013-01-15 15:39:59 UTC
Emperor Crash Zues wrote:
Zerese Aleacosu wrote:
I am paying one-hundred million isk for the corpse of James315. First come first served.

well if I knew where to find him i might get a crew together and try for that. Any of you NO's knight and agents willing to give that info?

Chelien/Brapelille and nearby ice systems at the moment. Add James 315 and Currin Trading to your watch list and you'll be able to tell if he's online. I'm sure he'd appreciate an attempt on his Invincible SFI.
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
#487 - 2013-01-15 15:45:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Danks
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
James is often seen in the systems that have been freed by the New Order, he even lists these systems on his blog.

Or is this just another excuse for inaction - "oh I couldnt find him even though he advertises exactly what system he's going to be liberating!"


I hear there's agents who give away that kind of info for a very cheap price.

Edit - by agents I mean NPCs of course.
Zerese Aleacosu
Doomheim
#488 - 2013-01-15 15:54:48 UTC
I am in Dodixie. Bring the corpse to me and the isk is yours. I have a corp wallet dedicated to this pool and may add to it/accept donations.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#489 - 2013-01-15 16:01:34 UTC
Zerese Aleacosu wrote:
I am in Dodixie. Bring the corpse to me and the isk is yours. I have a corp wallet dedicated to this pool and may add to it/accept donations.

What would you do if James were to contract you the corpse himself?
Zerese Aleacosu
Doomheim
#490 - 2013-01-15 16:11:50 UTC
I wouldn't accept it. Or, he wouldn't collect from the pool. I'll be doing what research I can on the contracting pilot to make sure one of his zealots don't try to cash in. So I am imposing these minor rules:

No new characters/trials, collecting toon has to be 1 month or older.

No N.O. zealots or associates. I'll do what I can to check this.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#491 - 2013-01-15 16:15:29 UTC
Zerese Aleacosu wrote:
I wouldn't accept it. Or, he wouldn't collect from the pool. I'll be doing what research I can on the contracting pilot to make sure one of his zealots don't try to cash in. So I am imposing these minor rules:

No new characters/trials, collecting toon has to be 1 month or older.

No N.O. zealots or associates. I'll do what I can to check this.

And would it have to be James' corpse, or would his alt (Currin Trading) be acceptable?
Zerese Aleacosu
Doomheim
#492 - 2013-01-15 16:17:11 UTC
Kainotomiu Ronuken wrote:
Zerese Aleacosu wrote:
I wouldn't accept it. Or, he wouldn't collect from the pool. I'll be doing what research I can on the contracting pilot to make sure one of his zealots don't try to cash in. So I am imposing these minor rules:

No new characters/trials, collecting toon has to be 1 month or older.

No N.O. zealots or associates. I'll do what I can to check this.

And would it have to be James' corpse, or would his alt (Currin Trading) be acceptable?


I'll only take the James corpse, the alt isn't as well known.
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#493 - 2013-01-15 16:20:38 UTC
And one final question; what would you do with James' corpse? Wouldn't it be a much better investment to buy 100 million ISK in shares?
Vaeliel
Slander Acquisitions
#494 - 2013-01-15 16:50:24 UTC
At least once per page, someone attempts to prove the New Order is hypocritical and / or compares their doctrines to something ridiculous (cult, fascism, etc.). Some question: Does James315 really believe in it? Is he just roleplaying? Some say: I think it's funny but for the inane drivel on his blog.

You guys. The Code. Is a trolling framework.

It is designed (masterfully) to infuriate exactly the people James315 is targeting. It intentionally invites argument for the sole purpose of giving New Order agents the opportunity to sanctimoniously quote it circularly. It is engineered specifically to lead anyone who attempts to argue with it in a circle. Not only does this draw in the key 'entitled idiot' and 'idiot who attempts intelligent discourse' demographics (as well as anyone who takes e-honour [ou for effect] seriously), it keeps them in a merry-go-round of rage and inherently fallacious reasoning all the while allowing the Agent to say key words and phrases which keep the person arguing.

Its staggering genius is in the way it does all the work for you. You don't even have to work at it to troll someone with it. This allows people who don't necessarily have the tools to properly infuriate someone to join in the fun by providing them with a framework that makes anything they say infuriating to their targets. Those who are skilled at getting under peoples' skin of course elicit a better, more entertaining response; but anyone can quote the code at miners and get a reaction.

That's why James has all the "inane drivel" on his blog. He's perpetuating and strengthening the trolling framework to make certain people who use it will get the reactions he wants. It is all done intentionally to achieve a goal.

The most hilarious part of the design is how any time the Code gets any attention, it's good attention.

Agree with the Code? James et al use that to reaffirm "their message".

Pay their fee? James et al use that to affirm the legitimacy of "their cause".

Argue with the Code? James et al use that to take the stance of underdogs fighting for a cause.

Spew vitriol at the Code? James et al just spin it to make you look like an overreacting child being chided by a loving parent. The beauty of this one is that it just further infuriates the person already frothing at the mouth and escalates the lulz.

To anyone who's in on the joke, it's endlessly entertaining. Anyone who doesn't see this only adds to the entertainment value. In short, it is an ingeniusly crafted trolling tool that is almost self-perpetuating just by existing. I hope this explains things to those of you who didn't realize this.
Riku Klayton
Ember Inc.
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#495 - 2013-01-15 16:57:58 UTC
killorbekilled TBE wrote:
Wait lemme go get my bucket, miner tears are selling for 1000 isk per unit in jita


Make that two buckets, I am joining you!
Agent Eunoli
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#496 - 2013-01-15 17:26:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Agent Eunoli
Vaeliel wrote:

To anyone who's in on the joke, it's endlessly entertaining. Anyone who doesn't see this only adds to the entertainment value. In short, it is an ingeniusly crafted trolling tool that is almost self-perpetuating just by existing. I hope this explains things to those of you who didn't realize this.

That's not entirely the truth of it.

The true genius of James 315 is the creation of a player initiated campaign to help out active miners in highsec by making mining not only more profitable but also more enjoyable. The Code provides a framework, this much is true, but that framework is there to promote healthy gameplay and mining for mining players.

The Code is a masterful work of compassion and kindness. James 315 must have taken a lot of time to draft the Code for the sole purpose of promoting the well-being of miners.

The New Order of Highsec is a movement that is devoted to removing bots and enhancing the player experience of miners in Highsec. This is a brilliant goal since it is one that players can truly have an impact on by participating.

Bots are a terrible plague in any MMO and, unfortunately, they exist in EVE as well. The most commonly found bot is a mining bot. The New Order of Highsec disrupts the botting activities making the bot worthless to the owner. In the meantime CCP continues their constant vigil and monitoring of information to identify these bots and purge them from the game.

In many ways the players in the New Order of Highsec are like superheroes from comic books. They help the law by doing what the law can't do. When an agent or knight of the New Order spots a bot the call goes out and the bot is either removed from mining range or their ship is destroyed.

The AFK mining thing is a secondary cause (albeit a very important one) of the New Order. AFK mining is almost like a gateway behavior towards botting. What is the real difference between a miner AFK mining and a bot? From a user experience point of view there is no difference. Both AFK miners and bots behave the same way. Both do not respond. Both do not contribute to the potential enjoyment of other players through interaction because there are no interactions. As such, AFK mining is something that needs to be curtailed. AFK mining brings no benefits to those brave and honourable miners who are actually at their keyboards mining.

To active miners AFK miners are a bad thing. AFK miners drive prices down for miners and ice. By disrupting the activities of AFK miners the New Order of Highsec is helping and promoting active miners.

In many ways, the New Order of Highsec is a movement with a lot of heart and filled with noble souls who sacrifice their own time for the benefit of their fellow players. These selfless players know that they may be targeted by upset AFK miners who feel that their not-actually-playing-time is interrupted by their noble efforts. This is something that Agents and Knights accept and understand.

It is unfortunate that there are players who would rather not play the game and support bots by trying to 'fight' the New Order of Highsec but this is EVE and that is their prerogative. I find it telling that so many of these anti-New Order players resort to insults, swearing, and the use unreasonable real life comparisons. I suppose when one is trying to defend not-playing-the-game and botting there isn't a logical argument to hold to.

The Code is EVE.

Cinematic HD EVE Movies: http://www.youtube.com/user/EveEunoli/

Vaeliel
Slander Acquisitions
#497 - 2013-01-15 19:07:03 UTC
Agent Eunoli wrote:
Well written analysis of the Code and its adherents within the framework of James315 and the New Order


I would wager that this is one of the aforementioned Agents who are able to very effectively utilize their place in the Order for maximum lulz.
tai oras
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#498 - 2013-01-15 19:08:08 UTC
Agent Eunoli wrote:
[quote=Vaeliel]

The true genius of James 315 is the creation of a player initiated campaign to help out active miners in highsec by making mining not only more profitable but also more enjoyable. The Code provides a framework, this much is true, but that framework is there to promote healthy gameplay and mining for mining players.

The Code is a masterful work of compassion and kindness. James 315 must have taken a lot of time to draft the Code for the sole purpose of promoting the well-being of miners.





The Code is EVE.



(I edited the spam to make my point and feed the merry -go -round)


Here is a quote from your "code"

The New Order of Highsec continues to recognize The Mittani as the legitimate Chairman of the CSM. This determination remains the rule in all New Order territories.

- Prejudice toward minorities is not permitted. For the sake of clarity, this cannot apply to all groups claiming minority status, but only discrete and insular minorities, which are defined as suicide gankers, Goons, and others who oppose highsec mining.


So clearly you have to worship gankers, The Mittani and GEWNS in order to be "aspirant"?

What has this got to do with miners (cattle) and the Mittani? What a mindless pile of drivel. It's a scam. Paint it blue, wrap in the warmth of seemigly endless "compassion", or what ever else you do...But it still emits the unmistankable odor of a thief.
Vaeliel
Slander Acquisitions
#499 - 2013-01-15 19:18:08 UTC
tai oras wrote:

So clearly you have to worship gankers, The Mittani and GEWNS in order to be "aspirant"?

What has this got to do with miners (cattle) and the Mittani? What a mindless pile of drivel. It's a scam. Paint it blue, wrap in the warmth of seemigly endless "compassion", or what ever else you do...But it still emits the unmistankable odor of a thief.



"Such 'wisdom' [shown by bitter envy and selfish ambition] does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic."

James 3:15, NIV
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#500 - 2013-01-15 19:32:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Kainotomiu Ronuken
Vaeliel wrote:
I would wager that this is one of the aforementioned Agents who are able to very effectively utilize their place in the Order for maximum lulz.

Agent Eunoli is very good at the converting of rebellious miners via the use of Local, as well as that of hybrid blasters.

tai oras wrote:
Here is a quote from your "code"

- The New Order of Highsec continues to recognize The Mittani as the legitimate Chairman of the CSM. This determination remains the rule in all New Order territories.

- Prejudice toward minorities is not permitted. For the sake of clarity, this cannot apply to all groups claiming minority status, but only discrete and insular minorities, which are defined as suicide gankers, Goons, and others who oppose highsec mining.


So clearly you have to worship gankers, The Mittani and GEWNS in order to be "aspirant"?

What has this got to do with miners (cattle) and the Mittani? What a mindless pile of drivel. It's a scam. Paint it blue, wrap in the warmth of seemigly endless "compassion", or what ever else you do...But it still emits the unmistankable odor of a thief.

Nobody ever said anything about worshiping the Goons or The Mittani. The two clauses are, in fact, entirely unrelated.

We recognise The Mittani as the legitimate chairman of the CSM because he was removed from that position by the unfortunate that Brendon Drain realised that Mittens' error would make a lovely controversial Massively post. While his comment regarding The Wiz was deplorable, he was inebriated and miners say far worse things to us in Local every day in (we assume) complete sobriety. He was punished because it was public and CCP needed to save face.

As for Goons, they have shown time and time again that they are willing to put the effort in to make highsec what it really should be; dangerous. The same applies to suicide gankers. This is completely in compliance with the Code, and therefore any resident of highsec who insults the Goons or the gankers is, by extension, insulting the Code. This is not acceptable.