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Sarmatiko

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#41 - 2013-01-15 12:46:49 UTC | Edited by: Sarmatiko

K1netic wrote:

SCSI is older than WinXP, they don't sell PC with that crap anymore wtf you talking about. it's all about SATA these days..

You never installed XP on SATA drive, isnt it? XP installer have this message: "Press F6 if you need to install a third party SCSI or RAID driver...." so I have used SCSI term for clarity. Technically OP still needs driver for SATA controller.

Braxus Deninard

Hard Knocks Inc.

Hard Knocks Citizens

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#42 - 2013-01-15 12:48:16 UTC

Tippia wrote:

Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:

Just so you know, Win8 is perfectly viable without a touchscreen. The new Metro "Start Menu" can be setup to be very usefull with a mouse. You just need to play around a bit to what is comfortable to you. Don't jump on the bandwagon just because it looks different.

The problem with No-Longer-Metro isn't that it can't be used or that it's different — it's that it's pointless. It is there to solve the issue of multitasking overview on single-task platforms with small-size/lowres screens, a problem that doesn't exist in a multi-task large-size/highres environment.

Metro was obsoleted by type-to-search and similar UI tweaks, which came with Vista(!). All the other things it's supposed to solve aren't issues on a proper full-size computer and instead, it only manages to introduce usability problems because it supposes (and thus imposes) restrictions that come from a completely different platform.

Just because it can be skipped, worked around, or — with large enough a chisel — disabled doesn't make it any less misapplied. It's a wart that should never have existed to begin with because all it does is get in the way, which is pretty much the exact opposite of what a good UI should do.

I agree that smashing a desktop and tablet OS into one is poor design, and should not have been done by Microsoft, but the point of simply turning it off is so much easier than degrading to a less secure OS (XP). W8 has a lot of performance improvements over XP and even W7 as well, so the positives of sticking with W8 vastly outweigh the one negative - the 5 seconds it will take to disable metro.

Marcus Caspius

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#43 - 2013-01-15 12:52:34 UTC | Edited by: Marcus Caspius

Andski wrote:

try a 3 year old OS like windows 7 rather than an 11 year old dinosaur

Not to be critical but Win 7 is probably your best bet. It stable and pretty well supported. No reason to not go there.

There are a couple of paradigm shifts from XP but if you can understand EvE you'll get the hang of Win 7 in no time.

Hope this helps matey & good luck! 07

Grammatical error and spelling mistakes are included for your entertainment!

HVAC Repairman

Hedion University

Amarr Empire

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#44 - 2013-01-15 12:53:12 UTC

Hans Hoff wrote:

Andski wrote:

try a 3 year old OS like windows 7 rather than an 11 year old dinosaur

I own a copy of windows XP and after windows 8 I will be F****ked if I give Bill Gates one more cent.
I checked out the net for alternative os BUT MOST SEEM TO BE STILL IN THE DEVELOPMENT STAGE..
Until about an hour ago I was running 4 accounts on an old comp using XP. It has got a loose connection somewhere and I have left it running since early December.. The power cut about an hour ago has made me decide to drag this comp out of its box and fire it up. I would appreciate information how to uninstall windows 8 a replace it with XP.
Although opinions are interesting they are not really helpful.
Graphics is not an issue. Single players have time to star gaze and look at all the fireworks. Multiplayers tend to study overviews and textual screens.
Ship graphics are something that one can study on a 100au+ warp but are not , absolutely not, necessary.
XP does the job ans so that's what I want..

DO. NOT. GO. BACK. TO. XP.

Windows XP is my all-time favorite version, but for the love of god don't use it. It's old, discontinued, and has no support for it anymore. Think the security holes in windows now is bad? Multiply it by 10 with XP.

Classic Shell owns. I loved the XP version of windows explorer and I wish they'd revert back to that version of it.

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Elvis Fett

Sebiestor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#45 - 2013-01-15 13:40:25 UTC

You are aware the statement that you make by not buying MS products is not a very loud one. Microsoft is not going anywhere, and Mr. Gates will not notice the loss of business. The only person that is adversely affected is you, by being inconvenienced by having to find an alternative to modern windows. But I am not judging, hey I refuse to shop at Walmart they could be giving **** away, so I feel ya about making a statement with your money. I just want you to be aware how silly you are being as I am aware how silly I am being when I do it.

Now if you insist on being ridiculous and not using win 8 or purchasing win 7, why not just use Linux? Even though CCP doesn't necessarily support it people do play EVE on linux. I have a corpie that plays EVE on linux. Last night he was telling us how he is "currently running 3 clients on wine". I am not sure if wine is a Linux distro, a program that emulates windows for gaming, or if he was just drinking a nice glass of Chardonnay but I do know he was running 3 instances of EVE on linux.

Plus for anything not gaming related Linux is thetits. Soon steam will have Linux support as well.

Kopfy

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#46 - 2013-01-15 13:49:41 UTC

Ok, you see, when booting up, precisely after the first screen of text, you press del or f10 to get into the BIOS (the two I've encountered). Then you set your first boot device to CDROM or similar if you are going to install from a disk.

Then you install Linux Mint. Install Wine and playonlinux through Synaptics. Open playonlinux and select EVE and... Oh you're talking about windows? Never mind then. >.>

Steve Ronuken

Fuzzwork Enterprises

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#47 - 2013-01-15 13:58:22 UTC | Edited by: Steve Ronuken

HVAC Repairman wrote:

Hans Hoff wrote:

Andski wrote:

try a 3 year old OS like windows 7 rather than an 11 year old dinosaur

Doesn't Classic Shell come with Classic Explorer too? (I've not used it though)

Oh, and for everyone still on XP because they don't want to pay for 7? Look at the offer for Windows 8 pro. It's a pretty good one. £25 or so.

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KaarBaak

Squirrel Team

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#48 - 2013-01-15 14:00:15 UTC

Kopfy wrote:

See? There you go. MUCH easier than using the perfectly functional OS that came per-loaded and pre-configured on your PC.

Seriously, if the OP is incapable of removing a partition and installing a different OS, I think sending him/her down the Linux/WINE road is fraught with pain and anxiety.

He/she has been given explicit instruction how to do it and plenty of advice not to do it. At this point, any further response from in has to be trolling.

He/she should go with the last thing stated: take the PC to a computer store and let someone who knows what they're doing take care of it.

KB

Dum Spiro Spero

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Ptraci 3 R Corporation Likes received: 2,122	#49 - 2013-01-15 14:06:58 UTC 1 Welcome to the wonderful world of UEFI. Microsoft now owns your machine.

Kopfy

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#50 - 2013-01-15 14:07:27 UTC

KaarBaak wrote:

Kopfy wrote:

See? There you go. MUCH easier than using the perfectly functional OS that came per-loaded and pre-configured on your PC.

Seriously, if the OP is incapable of removing a partition and installing a different OS, I think sending him/her down the Linux/WINE road is fraught with pain and anxiety.

He/she has been given explicit instruction how to do it and plenty of advice not to do it. At this point, any further response from in has to be trolling.

He/she should go with the last thing stated: take the PC to a computer store and let someone who knows what they're doing take care of it.

KB

It works perfectly! The updater works never failing, the game starts and runs flawless! And... ok maybe not flawless the CQ crashes the client, but who needs that anyway? and EVE voice... last time I tried it... TS3 is better and recommended.

But it works! Lol

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Implying Implications Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 432	#51 - 2013-01-15 14:09:53 UTC Get a Mac. It just works. hello

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dexington Caldari Provisions Caldari State Likes received: 1,268	#52 - 2013-01-15 14:10:20 UTC Hans Hoff wrote: ... XP does the job ans so that's what I want.. lol I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

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Toshiroma McDiesel Imperial Academy Amarr Empire Likes received: 215	#53 - 2013-01-15 14:19:51 UTC Timely article related to this subject : http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/01/help-ive-got-windows-8-and-i-miss-my-start-menu/ *I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service.*

Gerald Taric

NEO DYNAMICS

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#54 - 2013-01-15 14:21:32 UTC

Tarvos Telesto wrote:

This "stupid" old system is most succesful stable and best microsoft os system in thier entire history, i know people need adapt to new things, but come on XP was awesome and meny players still use it, exept new generation whith focusend on consumption and people who spent a lot money every month to get new brand cell phone with new icon on better lcd scren, or just to get 2fps more.

As you wrote: It was a good Windows Version, indeed, but lacks some security improvements, which have been done in the meantime in order to adapt to new threats. Additionally to that: In round about one year XP-Users will very likely running into trouble with their outdated OS. That will be a slaughter feast for malware programmers: No new drivers, no patches, new programs not supporting XP anymore...
Yes, it's right: XP might indeed do it's job ... for now, ... but only for another ~ 16 months.

I seriously suggest, as some others here too: Do not install XP again, if you do not want to make all that work again next year. Get a legit copy of Win7 as long as they are still sold (if you really dislike Win 8).

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Tarak Muritar Doomheim Likes received: 0	#55 - 2013-01-15 15:48:28 UTC Um, Win8 has desktop mode which is basically same as Win7 but faster....

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Leetha Layne Likes received: 121	#56 - 2013-01-15 15:53:20 UTC Tarak Muritar wrote: Um, Win8 has desktop mode which is basically same as Win7 but faster.... Windows 8 is faster on a desktop than Windows 7. Period.


Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM Likes received: 6,759	#57 - 2013-01-15 15:54:45 UTC Tarak Muritar wrote: Um, Win8 has desktop mode which is basically same as Win7 but faster.... Shhh. You'll confuse people. Woo! CSM XI! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Toku Jiang

Jiang Laboratories and Discovery

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#58 - 2013-01-15 15:57:22 UTC

Braxus Deninard wrote:

Is this a joke? Windows 8 has the exact same interface as Windows 7 (desktop environment etc, the only change is the lack of the start button, big whoop!), you can turn off the "metro" touch interface with one click, and then you can stop it from ever appearing again.

There is no logical reason to downgrade, W8 has some nice speed improvements over W7 as well.

Windows 8 blows hard. The menus are all in weird places, the interaction sucks, its full of all kinds of suck. I'm not sure what they were aiming for on windows 8, but like all windows operating systems you skip one generation before buying the next windows 98 - skip windows ME - XP - skip vista - Windows 7 - skip 8 - next generation.

Anyway for the OP.

Most likely the hardware in your new computer is not compatibile with the drivers on your XP disk. Unfortunately unless you are going to build an old school machine (and by this I mean a MOBO that is XP compat and a standard SATA HDD) your most likely SOL with installing XP on a new machine.

Tippia

Sunshine and Lollipops

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#59 - 2013-01-15 15:59:12 UTC

Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:

Timely article related to this subject :

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/01/help-ive-got-windows-8-and-i-miss-my-start-menu/

…which only really serves to highlight how there is no way to properly disable this horrible misfeature until MS themselves accept that it was slightly less competent an idea than MS Bob and either strips it out or provides it as an optional layer on top of a proper desktop UI.

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I Love Boobies All Hail Boobies Likes received: 1,310	#60 - 2013-01-15 16:07:02 UTC 1 Implying Implications wrote: Get a Mac. It just works. And pay twice as much for an inferior product performance wise. Smart. Very smart.