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Well, then your lucky CCP have said they are going to do exactly that with the Avatar exploration stuff then.

You do realize this is an absolutely awful argument? You are joking, right?

Do you have a better argument to the contrary? In the absence of good evidence, some evidence is better than none.

There was a polling thread in general discussion some months ago asking about who used CQ. Half said they did, half said they didn't. Of the half who said they didn't, half of those again said they would if CQ wasn't so resource intensive. So, to generalise quite substantially, if three quarters of people posting in each WiS thread are pro WiS, and those threads are the most popular and viewed on the forums, I would say that's pretty compelling evidence when any evidence to the contrary is lacking.

hahaha is this from the famous arduemont school of logic?

you either have evidence that supports a statement or you dont

your evidence adds no support to your statement

neither anecdotal evidence nor general interest in a debate count as support for one side of that debate

go back to school

edit: unless you're like 15 or something, in which case i apologize, and highly recommend you continue your education

Really well, it provides opportunities for new players to experience the support role without training for 6 months and blowing 250m on a Scimitar first, and combined with the other rebalances means that the typical new player experience (grind mission agents in highsec until in most cases they get bored and quit, or fly Rifters and explode every three seconds until in most cases they get frustrated and quit) has been replaced with 'actually be useful in PvP and maybe get to have some fun'.

Are you somehow suggesting that the T1 revamp and ongoing rebalancing is a bad thing?

So we agree that it's pretty much useless. Usually, I just alt tab and wait for the call on the no-chatter channel. I agree with your prioritization.

It's a very good thing, needed and well done.

Point is: it's only an minor edit on a table, do not need resources from NASA or a team pf developers working on it. Is not alternative to developing/evolving EvE gameplay. it's just only ordinary maintenance, tweeking, tuning, database update.

I can't belive people is so naive to really so candid to belive that any strategic gameplay development have to stop cause they have to do an edit on a MySql table.

This is the fancy tales they told you to keep you quiet while they moved on dust and WoD.

I believe otherwise. CCP underestimates the draw of avatar gameplay, because their current playerbase is mostly interested in FiS. Well duh! Their current playerbase would not exist if they were not interested in FiS, because that's all there is to EVE at the moment.

Avatar gameplay would first and foremost attract more new players to EVE. A lot of the current playerbase would be happy too. Unfortunately, CCP apparently does not believe in the draw of avatar gameplay. Maybe they have done some market research, maybe they are just listening to the ravings of their FiS fanatics.

Sadly, it seems CCP is putting resources into title like DUST and WoD. If all those resources would have been put to WiS instead, we would now have meaningful WiS AND the changes we have got to FiS in the meantime.

Haha. No, I think you had better go back to school because you have a fundamental misunderstanding about evidence or proof. Nothing can ever be proven without doubt, you can only find links that support a theory in lack of any evidence to show that it is not correct. When someone proposes a theory then people collect data that agrees with that theory, and the more you can do this without finding the alternative, the stronger our belief in that theory grows.

You also appear to not understand the word anecdote. Anecdotes are stories, I didn't tell you a story about my corp mates who want WiS. That would have been an anecdote (and I have plenty of anecdotes, if you want them, by the way). Without comparison or context, just a story on it's own that shows nothing. A poll on some forums is not an anecdote. It is objective, even if limited to a specific sample group. In this example, the poll is accurate in the example of the people posting in the thread, taking into account alts on both sides. Generalising from that poll to the general population (or the population of other threads, like I did in the previous post) isn't hugely accurate, but in the absence of any other evidence, generalising from the only evidence is still better than any alternative.

Especially since you literally have nothing other than your ill informed opinion to argue against it with. Find me some hard numbers to the contrary and I'll take your opinion seriously. If you want to play "I know more about evidence, proof or science" with someone who has made science his profession then you had better understand the basics. Currently your using the right words, but to anyone who knows what they're talking about, you look ignorant.



I'm afraid that's just your opinion. I have friends who have said precisely the opposite (this is an anecdote, are you ready to call me out on it? Because if you did, you would be correct to do so. Go on, you know you want to do it right this time Varius). In fact, the two things I hear people object about when they look at Eve is "No Avatars" and "No manual control of ships". So although you, and other Eve players may think like that (I think more Eve players don't think like that than do, to be honest), doesn't mean you can generalise to potential players.


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If people already playing the game want it (and they were attracted to a game specifically without that content), isn't it prudent to presume that a greater proportion of non-players would like it? We were all attracted to Eve knowing there was no Avatars, and yet there will be plenty of people who will have been put off by this. If the people who aren't put off are saying they want it, then surely that's a win win from the side of potential players?

Edit: Sorry for the wall of text.