These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Ships & Modules

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

All 5's which destroyer has the most...
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#1 - 2013-01-15 01:22:56 UTC
I can't ask which destroyer is the best with all skills at V because it will be dependent on how you use it. But with all skills at V which destroyer has....

Highest DPS
Highest volley
Max range
Most EHP

Please post fits to support if possible.

Thanks in advance!
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#2 - 2013-01-15 01:32:52 UTC
Highest DPS is Catalyst
High:
Neutrons II x 8
Mid:
Limited MWD
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler
Low:
MFS II
TE II
Internal Force Field Array
Rigs:
Hybrid Burst
Hybrid Locus Coordinator
Ionic Field Projector

Highest EHP:
Algos:
High:
75mm Rail II x 5
Small Unstable Neut
Mid:
AB II
Faint epsilon warp scrambler
Web II
Low:
400mm rolled tungsten
EANM II
DC II
Rigs:
Trimarks x 3

Drones to taste.

Highest Volley:
Arty Thrasher:
High:
280mm arty II x 7
Mid:
Limited MWD
SB II
TC II
Low:
Gyro II x 2
Rigs:
ACR x 2
Projectile collision
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#3 - 2013-01-15 01:40:27 UTC
Highest Range is Cormorant:
High:
150mm II x 7
Malkuth Standard Launcher
Mid:
Limited MWD
SB II x 2
Low:
TE II x 2 (can use MFS II x 2 or combination therein)
Rigs:
ACR
Hybrid Locus Coordinator
Ionic field Projector
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#4 - 2013-01-15 01:42:53 UTC
Okay, I somewhat expected the Thrasher and Algos. Nice to see my current skills translate to future results.

But my mind is a little blown by the Catalyst and Commorant. What values are we talking here?
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#5 - 2013-01-15 01:47:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Vilnius Zar
Nexus Day wrote:
Okay, I somewhat expected the Thrasher and Algos. Nice to see my current skills translate to future results.

But my mind is a little blown by the Catalyst and Commorant. What values are we talking here?


Dps wise it depends on how much tank and utility you're willing to give up for it, The catalyst can get to 600 dps without overheating and is close to 700 if you do burn it up. Just have a stroll in EFT and see what numbers you get.
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#6 - 2013-01-15 01:51:32 UTC
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
Okay, I somewhat expected the Thrasher and Algos. Nice to see my current skills translate to future results.

But my mind is a little blown by the Catalyst and Commorant. What values are we talking here?


Dps wise it depends on how much tank and utility you're willing to give up for it, The catalyst can get to 600 dps without overheating and is close to 700 if you do burn it up. Just have a stroll in EFT and see what numbers you get.

Thanks for the advice, but I have found the most reliable advice I have gotten is from the forums. And the voices I follow tend to disparage EFT. That is why I posted here.

And I would sacrifice tank for a "sellout" volley. But for constant dps I would prefer to have some nominal tank.
Goldensaver
Maraque Enterprises
Just let it happen
#7 - 2013-01-15 02:02:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Goldensaver
As far as the values on the Corm: I know you can get over 80km optimal on rails. Probably over 100km.

Edit: screwed around on EFT. Just through fitting you can get over 109km optimal + 12km falloff on a Cormorant. ****fit though, you'll want MFS's and more relevant rigs than just what was put on there. Though you do get an astonishing 105 DPS at that range.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-01-15 06:37:02 UTC
I was sure the Algos can outdps the Catalyst if you include drones, no?
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#9 - 2013-01-15 07:37:30 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
I was sure the Algos can outdps the Catalyst if you include drones, no?


It can be close on paper. Drone DPS is delayed DPS and any pure gank fit will be hard to use in practice. By the time your gank is being applied you may almost be dead.
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#10 - 2013-01-15 09:29:04 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Vilnius Zar wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
Okay, I somewhat expected the Thrasher and Algos. Nice to see my current skills translate to future results.

But my mind is a little blown by the Catalyst and Commorant. What values are we talking here?


Dps wise it depends on how much tank and utility you're willing to give up for it, The catalyst can get to 600 dps without overheating and is close to 700 if you do burn it up. Just have a stroll in EFT and see what numbers you get.

Thanks for the advice, but I have found the most reliable advice I have gotten is from the forums. And the voices I follow tend to disparage EFT. That is why I posted here.

And I would sacrifice tank for a "sellout" volley. But for constant dps I would prefer to have some nominal tank.


EFT is fine and actually better in many ways than the other fitting programs, not in the basic fitting options ofcourse (that's very similar) but it shines when you start using the dps graph which is much more elaborate than what the other programs have. Learning how to use it properly will help you understand the game a lot better. Thing is that most people are slightly clueless (I lied, they're completely clueless) on how mechanics actually really work in EVE and they never explored the options you can toy with in EFT because of that.

And thus if a new program comes along that has prettier colours and looks nicer they'll switch to that but they won't ofcourse give you the "well it looks nicer durrrr" because that makes them look like the clown they are, instead they'll try to sound cool by going "EFT is inaccurate, so I switched". And while EFT has its issues other fitting programs have their own issues and actually I'd say that I'd trust EFT more than I'd trust ingame numbers from CCP because they're terrible when it comes to numbers, info and UI.

In short, learn to use EFT properly and just laugh at ppl who have these amazing theories about how it's inaccurate, if they do give you that story then ask them to specifically explain to you how and where it was inaccurate, and to give you proof of it. 99.99% of them will then stfu and go away :)
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#11 - 2013-01-15 09:42:10 UTC
EFT warrioring is fine


Most eve pvpers prolly eft warrior more than they actually pvp


However its very important that you know what those numbers mean...

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#12 - 2013-01-15 11:31:49 UTC
The DPS graphs in pyfa and EFT give exactly the same information with equal (un)precision, but pyfa interface is also there much more usable and practical.

.
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-01-15 12:39:56 UTC
Imo the best dessie is the thrasher. The arty variant is a mean kiter, and it alpha means it is quite high in dps aswell (as your frist shot goes of instantly for the period between your frist to shots your dps is twice of what eft indicates, a arty thrasher puts out nearly 300dps with a rof of about 6 seconds, meaning it does close to 600dps for 6 seconds, which is enough to kill a lot of frigs)

The brawler variant is fast, agile pretty good dps wise, cap independent, has op buffer and can mount a nos aswell as the highest caliber of guns.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#14 - 2013-01-15 14:10:36 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
EFT warrioring is fine


Most eve pvpers prolly eft warrior more than they actually pvp


However its very important that you know what those numbers mean...


EFT Warrioring is essential to PVP. However in practice those fits change constantly... because if you have a ship that has a win rate of 100% against 1% of ships, you have a bad ship.

On paper auto-cannons are amazing. In practice artillery are even better. Little things you notice on kill-mails you're involved in.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-01-15 17:09:46 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
I was sure the Algos can outdps the Catalyst if you include drones, no?


It can be close on paper. Drone DPS is delayed DPS and any pure gank fit will be hard to use in practice. By the time your gank is being applied you may almost be dead.


Meh, I've always thought of blaster dps as delayed dps, by the time your gank is being applied you're past dead.Big smile
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#16 - 2013-01-15 18:31:19 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
Imo the best dessie is the thrasher.
I love Thrashers. Killing them has helped my killboard tremendously. :D