Wormholes

Where did i say it was a "problem"?

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A well thought out reply. Thanks for taking the time.

You may have inferred that i was "complaining" (not whining) about the warp strength but that was not my intention. I was forced to try rephrase my original question because so many people were missing the point.

I believe the answer to my question was "no, the venture does not need +2 warp strength to be a good gas mining ship." Sure it's a nice bonus, usually reserved for T2 ships (which is another point i was trying to make) but wouldn't a better design choice have been to give it 3 low slots and leave the fitting of WCS down to the player?

As previously stated, i will not put any real energy into hunting a 500k isk frigate but i miss the days of seeing gas mining battleships mining and not knowing if it was bait or not.

You do raise a fair point about me treating this like just a gas mining ship and perhaps it's not fair for me to do but lets not kid ourselves, this is mainly used as a gas mining ship. I have wanted a bonuses gas mining ship for a long time but i feel the venture is too good in ways it does not need to be.

This made six pages?

The poor little venture that could..

The +2 warp strength was intended for its role as a mining ship in hostile territory. The +2 warp plus quick align is its GTF out alive. Without it the ship is near useless as a ninja mining ship. It was not designed solely for gas mining in wormholes. So it is hard to gank. Big deal, why does every new ship have to be a super easy gank target.

The idea behind the venture is that it can go into hostile territory, mine, and GTF out without dieing. If you lock it, it is dead. Yes it is hard to catch, but anything less would make it not worth using.

The last attempt CCP made at a mining ship that could mine in hostile territory was the rebalanced procurer/Skiff. Its high ehp was supposed to allow it to survive in hostile territory. How did that work? It did not work. Once tackled the extra ehp just delayed the inescapable death. The only way an industrial ship can survive in hostile territory is by being cloaky, i.e. the blockade runners, or have a bonus to warp strength and ability to get into warp fast. i.e. the venture. Would you rather it be a cov-ops ship?

I would gladly trade its warp stability for the ability to use a cov-ops cloak. Then you could bridge it into hostile territory with a black ops. then if you see probes on scan or someone pops up on grid you can stop mining , cloak up and warp out. You have a better chance of catching it now then you would then.

Either way, the only way the venture works is by having really good GTF out ability. In its current state an alert pilot can fly it fairly safely. If you are ninja mining , or mining gas in a wormhole, this survivability is what you need to make the ship worth flying. If it could be easily caught nobody would use it. it only has 6% better yield mining gas than a traditional 5 turret gas mining ship. It basically has no tank. 5k ehp at best. If it can not GTF out fast what good is it.

I guess I've become too used to the Exhumers and their level of output, so to me, the Venture is a bit meh on mining. I never mined with the old mining cruisers. (side story: my first mining experience was back in 2006 using a bestower and a mining laser at a belt - i had some guy attempt to recruit me at the time by orbiting me in a Vega).

A 6% increase for gas sucking is only midly better, true, but it still is a slippery little devil with its get out capabilities and the large hold that allows to have good 'staying' power. With proper boosting, I've got sub 20s cycle times on my T2 harvesters :)

There's no 'too good' possible. As everything realted to EVE economy, if the Venture is really too good to be true, people will use it, sell the gas, and eventually the price will drop, making the venture only as profitable as the people is willing to risk it, effectively making it 'okayish for the work'.

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Why not use a bomber with rocket launchers and two scrams to catch the ventures?

My point is that any ship 'too good' will get eventually abused until it becomes 'good at what he does' in a role that isn't specially profitable, thus not being that awesome at all.

If I were to go by that argument I'd have to say nerf everything!