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[VLI] Vaughn Lampen Investments - All Accounts Closed and Refunded with Outstanding Interest!

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Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#161 - 2013-01-14 22:20:24 UTC
Debra Tao wrote:

I actually try to demonstrate that this is a scam and why it is oh so suspicious.

To me it's mostly suspicious because of the 'lock-in' periods for the 'investments.'

The moment an 'investment' has any kind of 'incentive' or penalty to remain invested for more than a month and reoccurring then that screams ponzi scheme.

The extra complexity to how this 'investment' vehicle is set up and how it presents itself is almost a perfect example of ponzi scheme.

Now, does that mean that this -is- one? No, it doesn't it just really looks like one, acts like one, and reads like one but it might not be one.

For people who are investing they are deciding if the risk is worth it. Clearly, to them, it is worth the risk of losing everything.

A good ponzi scheme will run for months to build up a good reputation and a lot of investments before it pulls the plug.
clamslayer
Doomheim
#162 - 2013-01-15 00:15:06 UTC
Fractal Muse wrote:
Debra Tao wrote:

I actually try to demonstrate that this is a scam and why it is oh so suspicious.

To me it's mostly suspicious because of the 'lock-in' periods for the 'investments.'

The moment an 'investment' has any kind of 'incentive' or penalty to remain invested for more than a month and reoccurring then that screams ponzi scheme.

The extra complexity to how this 'investment' vehicle is set up and how it presents itself is almost a perfect example of ponzi scheme.

Now, does that mean that this -is- one? No, it doesn't it just really looks like one, acts like one, and reads like one but it might not be one.

For people who are investing they are deciding if the risk is worth it. Clearly, to them, it is worth the risk of losing everything.

A good ponzi scheme will run for months to build up a good reputation and a lot of investments before it pulls the plug.



Objective post here.

Also, there hasnt been a legit investment that follows this model on a large scale. All of them have turned out to be pnzi schemes.
Molic Blackbird
Orion Faction Industries
Orion Consortium
#163 - 2013-01-15 00:28:57 UTC
clamslayer wrote:


Eve history has shown this again and again. there hasnt been an exception, and it isnt going to be Josh.


That is completely false. There have been lots of large scale investments without collateral throughout the history of Eve that have not scammed.

BSAC, BMBE, Proton Power has run several, Akita T ran one... Those are just the ones I can think of the top of my head. If I looked into it, I could find many many more.
clamslayer
Doomheim
#164 - 2013-01-15 00:31:40 UTC
Every One wrote:
Greetings

I don't want this to sound wrong or anything, it has nothing to do with the guys spamming scam all over the place.


So, I would like some sort of API to check the sums that flood your wallet. I don't want any materials, character names, nufin, nor do I need to see player donations.

Just the sums.

Think you can provide that to me? As I trusted you with my money you could trust me with total confidentiality from my part. Divulging information? Ain't nobody got time for that!


Thanks.



Atleast this way you will know how much isk you got **** out of compared to everyone else haha
clamslayer
Doomheim
#165 - 2013-01-15 00:34:47 UTC  |  Edited by: clamslayer
Molic Blackbird wrote:
clamslayer wrote:


Eve history has shown this again and again. there hasnt been an exception, and it isnt going to be Josh.


That is completely false. There have been lots of large scale investments without collateral throughout the history of Eve that have not scammed.

BSAC, BMBE, Proton Power has run several, Akita T ran one... Those are just the ones I can think of the top of my head. If I looked into it, I could find many many more.


Define large scale. I'm talking about 100 billion and up.

Also, I failed to mention that i was talking about offerings from players like Josh who have no proven track record, not players like Akita T who do.
Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Archer Investments Initiative
#166 - 2013-01-15 00:42:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Joshua Vaughn Lampen
Every One wrote:
Greetings

I don't want this to sound wrong or anything, it has nothing to do with the guys spamming scam all over the place.

So, I would like some sort of API to check the sums that flood your wallet. I don't want any materials, character names, nufin, nor do I need to see player donations.

Just the sums.

Think you can provide that to me? As I trusted you with my money you could trust me with total confidentiality from my part. Divulging information? Ain't nobody got time for that!

Thanks.


Yes I can do that. The API is going to inherently divulge the identity of the character who does the majority of the trading though so there's really no way around that. As you have no interest in negative action toward me though I'm not concerned about divulging that to you. Please check your mail for all relevant information. If you want to confirm a lot of the data's profitability I'll need you to send me an email address and I can send the spreadsheets along with it so that you can make a simple comparison.

I reserve the right to release the information to others now as well who I currently do business with, but as their are obvious griefers and trolls who have nothing better to do than spam in my thread I won't be publically releasing it.
Molic Blackbird
Orion Faction Industries
Orion Consortium
#167 - 2013-01-15 00:43:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Molic Blackbird
clamslayer wrote:


Define large scale. I'm talking about 100 billion and up.

Also, I failed to mention that i was talking about offerings from players like Josh who have no proven track record, not players like Akita T who do.



I didn't realize Joshua was asking for over 100b ISK. BSAC was over 700b, BMBE is well over 100b. If you add enough qualifiers to your statement, it will eventually be true.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#168 - 2013-01-15 00:51:46 UTC
There have been a few genuine investments.

However, as a ratio, controlling for scale or not, scams form the vast, vast majority.

Also, this is a scam. Once you've been around a while you'll notice patterns in the scams that give them away. This one has hit at least five, easily more if you really want to look for them I'm sure.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Molic Blackbird
Orion Faction Industries
Orion Consortium
#169 - 2013-01-15 01:11:12 UTC
As with any investment in Eve, if you think its a scam don't invest. No need to go out on a vendetta of claiming scam without any proof. I may have missed it in my reading of this thread, but I haven't seen anyone lay out a case for why they think this is a scam. The only argument I've seen is that all uncollateralized investments in the past have been scams, which is completely false.

For those that think this is a scam, lay out reasoned arguments for that claim. Stating this follows 5 past patterns of past scams and then not listing what those 5 items are isn't very effective in making the case that this one is a scam.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#170 - 2013-01-15 01:17:31 UTC
People are welcome to take it as they will.

If they are actually considering investing money that they spent hours grinding up, then i recommend they spend one hour going back over old scams to see if they recognize familiar aspects.

Also pretty sure you run or ran your own failed bond scam, so please share more of your insights. I'm all ears.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
clamslayer
Doomheim
#171 - 2013-01-15 01:18:56 UTC
Molic Blackbird wrote:
clamslayer wrote:


Define large scale. I'm talking about 100 billion and up.

Also, I failed to mention that i was talking about offerings from players like Josh who have no proven track record, not players like Akita T who do.



I didn't realize Joshua was asking for over 100b ISK. BSAC was over 700b, BMBE is well over 100b. If you add enough qualifiers to your statement, it will eventually be true.



These groups have track records unlike Josh?
Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
#172 - 2013-01-15 01:20:07 UTC
clamslayer wrote:

These groups have track records unlike Josh?



You must be new here

iCandy  - I have accidently swallowed some Scrabble tiles, my next shit could spell disaster!
clamslayer
Doomheim
#173 - 2013-01-15 01:21:13 UTC  |  Edited by: clamslayer
Molic Blackbird wrote:
As with any investment in Eve, if you think its a scam don't invest. No need to go out on a vendetta of claiming scam without any proof. I may have missed it in my reading of this thread, but I haven't seen anyone lay out a case for why they think this is a scam. The only argument I've seen is that all uncollateralized investments in the past have been scams, which is completely false.

For those that think this is a scam, lay out reasoned arguments for that claim. Stating this follows 5 past patterns of past scams and then not listing what those 5 items are isn't very effective in making the case that this one is a scam.






Its obvious there is a relationship between you and josh, somone earlier mentioned it.

That said we all know that the majority of investment opportunities are scams per Eve history. The fact that you are trying to cover that goes to show that you are probably in on the scam.
clamslayer
Doomheim
#174 - 2013-01-15 01:22:10 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
People are welcome to take it as they will.

If they are actually considering investing money that they spent hours grinding up, then i recommend they spend one hour going back over old scams to see if they recognize familiar aspects.

Also pretty sure you run or ran your own failed bond scam, so please share more of your insights. I'm all ears.



Good post here
Molic Blackbird
Orion Faction Industries
Orion Consortium
#175 - 2013-01-15 01:37:09 UTC
clamslayer wrote:

Its obvious there is a relationship between you and josh, somone earlier mentioned it.

That said we all know that the majority of investment opportunities are scams per Eve history.



There is no relationship between Joshua and myself. I have no ISK invested in this, Josh has no ISK invested with me. It's possible that I have bought or sold items from Josh, but I've done that with thousands of people in Eve. That doesn't mean I have a relationship.


It isn't true that the majority of investments are scams either. Someone did research on investments posted on this forum a few years ago and found most of those investments are not scams.
Molic Blackbird
Orion Faction Industries
Orion Consortium
#176 - 2013-01-15 01:45:43 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:


Also pretty sure you run or ran your own failed bond scam, so please share more of your insights. I'm all ears.


LOL, I have not had any failed bonds or scams. I had a 30b ISK bond a year and a half ago that was collateralized. Everyone from that bond has been paid back in full. http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1546605

I have a 70b ISK bond currently running that is also collateralized. First interest payment went out last month and another one will be going out in the next few days. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=173720
clamslayer
Doomheim
#177 - 2013-01-15 02:22:28 UTC  |  Edited by: clamslayer
Molic Blackbird wrote:
clamslayer wrote:

Its obvious there is a relationship between you and josh, somone earlier mentioned it.

That said we all know that the majority of investment opportunities are scams per Eve history.



There is no relationship between Joshua and myself. I have no ISK invested in this, Josh has no ISK invested with me. It's possible that I have bought or sold items from Josh, but I've done that with thousands of people in Eve. That doesn't mean I have a relationship.


It isn't true that the majority of investments are scams either. Someone did research on investments posted on this forum a few years ago and found most of those investments are not scams.





It is true that you guys have a relationship, one of josh's buddies accidently told me about it. I have a screen shot of the convo, but its against the rules to post chat logs in any way.

It is a fact that the majority of uncollateralized investment opportunities are scams.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#178 - 2013-01-15 02:30:07 UTC
clamslayer wrote:
It is a fact that the majority of uncollateralized investment opportunities are scams.


Vast majority.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Molic Blackbird
Orion Faction Industries
Orion Consortium
#179 - 2013-01-15 04:33:13 UTC
clamslayer wrote:


It is true that you guys have a relationship, one of josh's buddies accidently told me about it. I have a screen shot of the convo, but its against the rules to post chat logs in any way.



It is not true. I've talked with Josh in a public chat channel. That is the extent of my relationship with him. I have no idea what sort of relationship you are hinting at exists. I'm communicating with you in this forum, does that mean we now have some sort of secret relationship?


Quote:
It is a fact that the majority of uncollateralized investment opportunities are scams.


You've gone from all such invents are ponzi schemes to just the majority are. Research done on investments offered on this forum: http://eve-search.com/thread/1392810-0

Of the investments offered in that research period, 90% were successful.
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
#180 - 2013-01-15 04:36:42 UTC
Molic Blackbird wrote:


It is not true. I've talked with Josh in a public chat channel. That is the extent of my relationship with him. I have no idea what sort of relationship you are hinting at exists. I'm communicating with you in this forum, does that mean we now have some sort of secret relationship?




Are you implying what i think you are implying ?