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Lev Arturis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2013-01-13 23:40:03 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Commander Razama wrote:
I have fought and waited for years for the chance to get our medal since the caldari fought and won the first war. The caldari fought long and hard and CCP recognized this effort. Its only fair after years of fighting that now that we have won that CCP recognize our effort.

Its not like this happens to often.


it is good that CCP devs finally found way to fix FW on way that gallente can win when others already quit.


Than finaly do us the favour and quit too.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#62 - 2013-01-14 00:41:36 UTC
Lev Arturis wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Commander Razama wrote:
I have fought and waited for years for the chance to get our medal since the caldari fought and won the first war. The caldari fought long and hard and CCP recognized this effort. Its only fair after years of fighting that now that we have won that CCP recognize our effort.

Its not like this happens to often.


it is good that CCP devs finally found way to fix FW on way that gallente can win when others already quit.


Than finaly do us the favour and quit too.


i did quit FW, but luckily EVE has lot of more to offer.
RavenTesio
Liandri Corporation
#63 - 2013-01-14 01:26:17 UTC
Given Caldari were given a Medal for every 24hr period that the Warzone was held, it would make sense given technically speaking the Gallente did hold all the systems for a single Downtime-to-Downtime period... they should be awarded a single medal.

In all honesty, most of us knew Mid-December that this was going to be the eventual outcome as well.
There was a certain domino effect within Caldari, along with the unsually well Coordinated efforts with the Gallente (+Allies) that really brought us to this point.

What has been far more in the air has been how long we have been able to hold out.
I can honestly say that many of the Caldari pilots did their absolute best, at a significant disadvantage to bitterly hold on to our last few systems.

And I don't say Significant Disadvantage because of Mechanics or anything like that, which I think both sides can agree still are not ideal as they still focus too much on earning ISK (LP) over PvP ... but more that it has been an incredible amount of work, for those of us who remained in Caldari Militia to try to hold together what was left while putting up serious resistance in the attempt to deny the Gallente the complete warzone victory they achieved.

Sure we did not accomplish our goal and that sucks giant hairy loveberries, still this past month has put life back in to Faction Warfare (Gallente-Caldari) that hasn't been there for a very long time.

Most importantly this whole Campaign, has given us the oppurtunity to become stronger and more solidified as a whole.
In my opinion this has all been the kick in the pants that Caldari Militia has been in need of.

Now if CCP can only sort out the Faction Warfare mechanics without all this pesky ISK / LP Focus and actually provide us with some real Sovereignty bonus' to capturing and holding systems with LP (and I mean useful amounts of LP!!) from Kills basically pushing all of these damn Alt Farmers back to Incursions / Null-Sec then we can get back to the job at hand of killing each other over valueable real-est that grows in value the longer you hold it.

This past month honestly has probably been the best test of the new Faction Warfare mechanics, there are many of the changes that Retribution brought that honestly have been nothing but good; and some that still needs some work.
ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#64 - 2013-01-14 17:33:45 UTC
RavenTesio wrote:
Given Caldari were given a Medal for every 24hr period that the Warzone was held, it would make sense given technically speaking the Gallente did hold all the systems for a single Downtime-to-Downtime period... they should be awarded a single medal..



Did Gallente hold the systems for 24 hours? Or did gallente lose a system within 24 hours?

Does it not count as lost until downtime, or does it count as lost as soon as its "lost" due to the bunker bust?
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#65 - 2013-01-14 18:21:06 UTC
ground ctrl wrote:
RavenTesio wrote:
Given Caldari were given a Medal for every 24hr period that the Warzone was held, it would make sense given technically speaking the Gallente did hold all the systems for a single Downtime-to-Downtime period... they should be awarded a single medal..



Did Gallente hold the systems for 24 hours? Or did gallente lose a system within 24 hours?

Does it not count as lost until downtime, or does it count as lost as soon as its "lost" due to the bunker bust?


We had all systems for more than 24 hours regardless of which measure you use.
Mehashi 'Kho
New Eden Motion Pictures
#66 - 2013-01-14 18:41:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Mehashi 'Kho
s**t, forum ate my response and just block quoted, ill try that again later lol
ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#67 - 2013-01-14 20:07:05 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
ground ctrl wrote:
RavenTesio wrote:
Given Caldari were given a Medal for every 24hr period that the Warzone was held, it would make sense given technically speaking the Gallente did hold all the systems for a single Downtime-to-Downtime period... they should be awarded a single medal..



Did Gallente hold the systems for 24 hours? Or did gallente lose a system within 24 hours?

Does it not count as lost until downtime, or does it count as lost as soon as its "lost" due to the bunker bust?


We had all systems for more than 24 hours regardless of which measure you use.



Then Gallente should get a medal.

Except XG, because he doesn't want one.

CCP should also make this medal (and other medals/happy horseshit for other achievments) a feature of the game.
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#68 - 2013-01-14 22:38:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Cynthia Nezmor
Mehashi 'Kho wrote:
So.... when / where / how / what colour etc etc.

Many people have bust their balls running pve content to grind towards this moment, maybe then a pair of sweaty balls on a little red cross plaque would be appropriate?


Never.
Nowhere.
Maybe those CCP employees actively engaged on Gal side can do it somehow after all.

No one has achieved anything. When you do it for at least half as long as Caldari did, you can ask for a medal. Even in a game designed for hypocrites, this would be too much.
Generals4
#69 - 2013-01-14 23:00:56 UTC
While i think the gals should get a medal because it was probably really tedious to get all the systems I don't like the fact some people compare it to when the Calmil got all the systems. Back when cal mil got a medal there was no reward at all for plexing except that medal. Meanwhile under the current system there was already a reward involved (all the LP). (and than there was that totally stupid "emergency" patch which f*cked up everything pretty badly and the fact the LP rewards for circling a button gives the one "in control" an army of farmers, an army which the cal mil didn't have back in the days).

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#70 - 2013-01-14 23:23:11 UTC
Generals4 wrote:
.....gives the one "in control" an army of farmers, an army which the cal mil didn't have back in the days).

Oh they had control of plenty of alts... ask Bad Messenger and Damar. Big smile
Ophelia Crotchmore
The Church of Awesome
#71 - 2013-01-14 23:39:31 UTC
I've never undocked and I'm getting a shiny medal for asking stupid questions in militia chat me thinks.

If I warp to the sun will my ship melt?
How do you kill Super Chair?
Why can't I fit plates and shield extenders for double the strength?
I put gyros on my Moa and it's dps still sucks - why?
And many more classics.....


I believe I have earned my medal more than those plexing thingos (whatever they are) and I want it NOW.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#72 - 2013-01-14 23:47:35 UTC
Generals4 wrote:
While i think the gals should get a medal because it was probably really tedious to get all the systems I don't like the fact some people compare it to when the Calmil got all the systems. Back when cal mil got a medal there was no reward at all for plexing except that medal. Meanwhile under the current system there was already a reward involved (all the LP). (and than there was that totally stupid "emergency" patch which f*cked up everything pretty badly and the fact the LP rewards for circling a button gives the one "in control" an army of farmers, an army which the cal mil didn't have back in the days).




In reality, the announced patch day was the only silly thing. Fact is that caldari wanted to manipulate the system before the patch to land themselves in a superior position. Another fact is that certain corps in gal mil were ready to stop that happening.

The emergency patch was unknown to both sides and as such was a better 'out' to the farmville and the expected (but unrealistic) outcome that cal mil wanted, built on the efforts of their army of alt farmers. Clearly cal mil felt entitled to a victory even though it was based on countless lp farming alts. Sorry that didnt work out for you lol.

Both sides were landed with a new and unexpected landscape in FW. If the position were reversed its hard to claim that gallente could not have capped pretty much all the systems within a couple of days.

As it was we ended up with little more than half the warzone under our control. Its not our fault that cal mil continued their downward spiral. Thats mostly because most of you guys cannot stand each other.

Im pretty sure evoke will learn to hate their own militias guts in short order, as the pressure of holding a lot of systems almost alone, even as a large corp, grows on them.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#73 - 2013-01-15 00:34:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarnak Wulf
You have to remember that Amarr got run over when changes were broadcast months in advance. Read the comments attached to this Blog, particularly the 7th one. Blink
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#74 - 2013-01-15 01:14:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
You have to remember that Amarr got run over when changes were broadcast months in advance. Read the comments attached to this Blog, particularly the 7th one. Blink


Amarr got over run at the start because they for what ever reason unknown to me expected CCP to reset the war zone, so they didn't fight to hold or take anything. Caldari on the other hand held War Zone control the majority of the time, since CCP started tooling about with FW and only started losing after CCP did the surprise patch. Up until the surprise patch that left Gals in a war zone control, it was always Caldari dictating the control of the War Zone.

There were struggles here and there but over all it was always Caldari in control until that patch, hence the reason so many Caldari's quit because it simply handed the War zone to Gals whom quite frankly did not deserve it. We did fight tooth and nail with the first set of changes and we lost many systems in the beginning, but that was soon turned around and Caldari once again took control of the war front despite Gals best efforts.

After that it was just controlled farming.. Gals were never really in control of that and they only made it to tier V one time compared to several 4's & 5 's that Caldari hit. Timing is the only thing that left Gals in control by the famous surprise patch, despite the fact that Gals had Minmatar farmers on their side and much stronger corps.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#75 - 2013-01-15 01:20:33 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
You have to remember that Amarr got run over when changes were broadcast months in advance. Read the comments attached to this Blog, particularly the 7th one. Blink


Amarr got over run at the start because they for what ever reason unknown to me expected CCP to reset the war zone, so they didn't fight to hold or take anything. Caldari on the other hand held War Zone control the majority of the time, since CCP started tooling about with FW and only started losing after CCP did the surprise patch. Up until the surprise patch that left Gals in a war zone control, it was always Caldari dictating the control of the War Zone.

There were struggles here and there but over all it was always Caldari in control until that patch, hence the reason so many Caldari's quit because it simply handed the War zone to Gals whom quite frankly did not deserve it.


You were only winning before the surprise patch because of hundreds of farmer alts as evidenced by the VP numbers of those times. Current VP numbers show fairly even levels of progress in the occupancy war. Where older cal mil corps have left, evoke have replaced them.

Im sorry that you feel that those farmer alts entitled you to a warzone victory.
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#76 - 2013-01-15 01:29:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Mutnin wrote:
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
You have to remember that Amarr got run over when changes were broadcast months in advance. Read the comments attached to this Blog, particularly the 7th one. Blink


Amarr got over run at the start because they for what ever reason unknown to me expected CCP to reset the war zone, so they didn't fight to hold or take anything. Caldari on the other hand held War Zone control the majority of the time, since CCP started tooling about with FW and only started losing after CCP did the surprise patch. Up until the surprise patch that left Gals in a war zone control, it was always Caldari dictating the control of the War Zone.

There were struggles here and there but over all it was always Caldari in control until that patch, hence the reason so many Caldari's quit because it simply handed the War zone to Gals whom quite frankly did not deserve it.


You were only winning before the surprise patch because of hundreds of farmer alts as evidenced by the VP numbers of those times. Current VP numbers show fairly even levels of progress in the occupancy war. Where older cal mil corps have left, evoke have replaced them.

Im sorry that you feel that those farmer alts entitled you to a warzone victory.


You guys had just as many farmer alts as we did. Yours were just flying the flag of Minmatar Militia. You guys had no VP's because the Minmatars didn't get counted and no one was farming with Gal alts at that time, because you guys were at tier 1 most of the time. You guys were running Minmatar farm alts or Caldari mission running alts. Meanwhile you never had to deal with any Amarr alts coming into your space, like we had to deal with both Minmatar & Gals in ours.

It wasn't til you got handed the war zone via the patch and Caldari largely got pissed and quit, that you started winning the Sov war.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#77 - 2013-01-15 02:15:03 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Why do you whine about a system you didn't participate in anyways?

Plus, that system is long gone dead. So what's the point in whining about it to begin with?
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#78 - 2013-01-15 02:23:10 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Why do you whine about a system you didn't participate in anyways?

Plus, that system is long gone dead. So what's the point in whining about it to begin with?


Why do you worry so much about what I do?
Dread Operative
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#79 - 2013-01-15 02:27:08 UTC
What was the total ships/isk destroyed when the Caldari pushed for occupancy compared to when we pushed for ours?
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#80 - 2013-01-15 03:05:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Mutnin wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Mutnin wrote:
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
You have to remember that Amarr got run over when changes were broadcast months in advance. Read the comments attached to this Blog, particularly the 7th one. Blink


Amarr got over run at the start because they for what ever reason unknown to me expected CCP to reset the war zone, so they didn't fight to hold or take anything. Caldari on the other hand held War Zone control the majority of the time, since CCP started tooling about with FW and only started losing after CCP did the surprise patch. Up until the surprise patch that left Gals in a war zone control, it was always Caldari dictating the control of the War Zone.

There were struggles here and there but over all it was always Caldari in control until that patch, hence the reason so many Caldari's quit because it simply handed the War zone to Gals whom quite frankly did not deserve it.


You were only winning before the surprise patch because of hundreds of farmer alts as evidenced by the VP numbers of those times. Current VP numbers show fairly even levels of progress in the occupancy war. Where older cal mil corps have left, evoke have replaced them.

Im sorry that you feel that those farmer alts entitled you to a warzone victory.


You guys had just as many farmer alts as we did. Yours were just flying the flag of Minmatar Militia. You guys had no VP's because the Minmatars didn't get counted and no one was farming with Gal alts at that time, because you guys were at tier 1 most of the time. You guys were running Minmatar farm alts or Caldari mission running alts. Meanwhile you never had to deal with any Amarr alts coming into your space, like we had to deal with both Minmatar & Gals in ours.

It wasn't til you got handed the war zone via the patch and Caldari largely got pissed and quit, that you started winning the Sov war.


Gallente didnt have even close to the farmers that were working on the caldari and minmatar side. That is why it would take us many weeks to build up to our cash out. Whereas after gallente cashouts the caldari would have the bulk of the gallente systems vulnerable with a handful of days.

When there were caldari systems to capture it would make sense that if these mythical gallente farmers existed that they would be farming caldari space since amarr had next to no systems left until :nulli:

Caldari routinely hit well over 100k vp per day. Gallente occasionally hit 30k iirc.

I know you dont want to face these simple facts matey. I do hope they dont interfere with whatever dream state you are currently enjoying.