EVE General Discussion

....stront? You've got to be kidding.

Listen I realize you thought you knew what you were talking about, but you should really have some experience before you start threads asking for nerfs. I'm honestly tired of hearing about "force projection" from people who live in hi-sec just because they want to be in on the theoretical discussion. JB's have been nerfed more times than I'd like to count so the next step is removing them altogether, that's about how useful they're becoming. It's one of the slim few advantages of having sov.

i did not state once i was talking about JB i only said titan bridging....

yeah stront or atleast that is what evelopedia suggests it uses

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Jump_Portal_Generator_I

as i remember when i used to do fleets in null we would warp to the pos and then right click on the titan and click on the jump button.

as for me i have lived most of my eve life either in null or low sec... hardly go to high sec so that is a wrong asumption on me... I just happen to be more of a solo guy then group as when i play eve i cant allways get on comms which limits me being in fleets....

also post with your main.

Do you not see a correlation between titans and sov?

Where exactly are you parking your titans? You don't just park them any random place, you generally need sov, that is sucure, to keep them.

No one's using titans to hot drop your roaming gang.
No ones' using capital ships to remove you from their system.
You guys aren't holding sov to worry about them.


How exactly are they impacting you?
When exactly do you have to worry about someone lighting a cyno and dropping 500 guys in your system, if you don't hold any sytems.

Just like high sec guys that "suggest" ways to fix null, without actually living there or ever having to worry about how null works. You're suggesting a nerf to something, your alliance has no use for.


And again, you complained about the "proliferation" and then went on to say that we should have to BUILD MORE. That makes NO sense what-so-ever.

Tell us, how many titans does GSF or the CFC have?
How about test?
AAA?
Solar?

How many titans are there in general? You guys keep using the word "proliferation" as if you have any idea how many there actually are, and how often they're used.

Also, explain why would CCP go to so much effort to allow so many people to engage in a fight if that's not what they wanted?
In the end this is just another "blob" thread, and that's what you're really complaining about. If it wasn't, you wouldn't be suggesting ways to limit the number of people an alliance can move into a system for the purpose of sov warfare.

So tell me,
Why when CCP spends so much time and effort developing the server technology and code to allow thousands of people to fight in the same system, do you guys keep making threads implying that "blobbing" isn't intended.

****, I don't even know how many titans RAZOR has. Not that I'm supposed to know such things anyway.
I don't fly a titan. I don't ever want to fly a titan.

You're just incentivizing "blobbing" because now you need to have at least 4-5 titans active, a ton of entrance cynos, and supercap hegemony to protect your titan and do a fleet. Or you can spend hours jumping through gates, losing 5-10 people each time you jump from desyncs and lag, only to get hotdropped by someone who does have these things. That doesn't sound fun.

Limiting cyno mass on jumps doesn't really solve anything, you can just daisy chain cynos in with the capitals you are dropping. And again, only those who have a distinct advantage would be using cynos. A few extra immobile carriers don't matter if you have 40 SCs and 40 Titans.

There is no issue with force projection, nullsec is already "small" because there are very few entities participating. You shouldn't have to jump halfway across the map for a good fight, there should already be one on your doorstep. Force projection nerfs just make it more difficult for people to get fights, probably the biggest reason why people still live in nullsec.

you know back in the day jumping 40 plus jumps to find a fight was a good reason to try and kill your neighbour...

plus making logi harder is a good thing... the fact you can be across the universe in a flash is kinda wrong and to me (an observer) is one of the reasons we see such large coalitions...

Maybe they are talking about what you see at the end of the "revelations II" trailer when it says "we are the enemies of the gods". Some of us liked the vision that was eve back then, and that perspective is no more right or wrong then yours. So maybe get a tissue and wipe your widdle nose, because CCP will remain on your side of this argument. Your titans will be ok (pats on the back)


And if you are still having trouble understanding what "Proliferation" means, here is a handy dandy little drawing I made that will explain it to you.

Why?

Because you said so?

I keep asking you to EXPLAIN WHY, but you just keep saying, "because".

You say that, but in another responce you said WE SHOULD HAVE TO BUILD MORE TITANS.
Why will you not explain this?

BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A REASON. You're just repeating the same dumb **** other people have said, and don't even seem to know WHY.

WHY?

It's not effecting you.


And honestly, the hell man. Rant? WTF?
I asked you a bunch of questions, you gave zero ******* answers, and cut my post down to "rant". gtfo, man.


You aren't being hotdroped because of titans, and your alliance doesn't hold sov. In fact you yourself said that you play solo because you don't have time for OPs.
Why does does it matter to you when your alliance holds no sov, and you don't fly in fleets that need to worry about it, or engage in sov activity that would make them useful to use or use against you.

You have nothing to deffend that it matters.

no i disagree...
this thread has enlighted me about some flaws i forgot about... in 6 plus years of playing eve its rather easy to forget something like that...

It explains the idea of "proliferation" with a nifty little picture, and then compares it to an old (and much loved) EVE trailer for comparison. Some people have a strong preference for one massive capital ship existing at the head of a vastly more numerous and vastly more diverse fleet. When capitals become the battleship and titans-supers become the capitals... well... I guess we need a new "big" ship now don't we?


That is all.