Warfare & Tactics

We have found Cearain's alt!

If you aren't getting 4-7 good fights every two hours, then that is a "you" problem.

Don't even try , they just don't get it.

You are very very wrong and I can tell you this from experiencing both side of the war front.

I've had a secret alt with-in Gal militia for some time now and I've tested the water from both sides and the fighting opportunities are very very different. Granted I haven't played much at all in the last month+ so things might be a tad different with Gals holding most systems and less for the farmers to farm.

As Caldari and trying to plex while the Gal farmer invasion was at it's peak, it was like finding a unicorn if you happened to find someone from Gal or Min Militia in a plex that didn't warp out on first contact. You could spend 2 or 3 hours chasing farmers out of this plex or that one and never get a fight. You could go to Heyidlies or Nourv open a plex and not even get any attention 50% of the time.

Places like Akadagi could pull fights in plexes but that system is more like a PVP arena and not so much fought over and 50% of the time it would likely be a local pie you fought.

Now move over to Gal's side. When I played around with my Gal alt who is mostly limited to just frigs but is a much older toon than myself, it was much easier to get fights faster in plexes. I will tell you the simple reason for this IMO.

At the current condition of the Caldari Militia prior to losing the last few systems and now regaining a couple, there was little to no reason to plex for LP's or ISK. A minor was playing something like 2.5k or 5k lp (I forget which). Meaning that if you were plexing for ISK while flying as a Caldari and being at tier one you were being very dumb.

Because there was no worthwhile isk reward, more times than not, if you came across a Caldari in a plex he was doing it for one or two reason. Defense or to get a fight. I flew my Gal alt for about a week and got easily 50% more fights out of Caldari guys than I'd get on any of my Caldari alts trying to fight Gals in plexes.

I'm not talking about systems that were heavily fought over either, I always avoid those type of system and prefer to hit quieter places when it's less likely to draw a numbers imbalance that isn't manageable. But more times than not when it comes to solo PVP in plexes, I found it was much easier to get fights from Caldari guys than Gal guys due to the large number of LP farmers in Gal & Min militia.

I'm sure the situation was likely reversed when it was Caldari that had the bulk of farmers, which is why Gal Militia never fought in plexes at that time because they were tired of chasing stabbed Merlins.

I suggest X Gal that before you make broad statements about how easy it is to get fights plexing, that you back that up with actual experience and checking the color of the grass on both sides of the fence rather just from one side. It's a very different experience when you are chasing farmers all over the map vs PVPers.

No minnies would cashout at tier 5.

Amarr was making headway without Nulli Secunda. They could keep putting pressure on minmatar and force the minmatar to defensive plex for no lp gain while we kept building lp.

Now its dumbed down to make isk but you make less isk. There is less at stake. Pulling off an effective cashout took organization and some strategy. Now its just a forever grind.



Yes it needed to be nerfed but the overall structure was much less lopsided than it is now. Those are 2 different issues. The failure to carefully think about what was causing which problems lead to the illconceived change of lp structure we got on october 22nd.




No one in their right mind would cash out at tier 1. But we would gain just as much lp as minmatar at tier 1 and if we hit tier 5 then our lp would be just as valuable. Like I said the biggest problem the amarr had was the minmatar farmers. After nulli flipped those systems it was just a matter literally minutes before the minmatar farmers where in those systems farming like crazy and knocking us back to tier 3.



Again only a fool would cashout at tier 2 under the old system. To the extent all the militias coudln't hit tier 5 (or at least tier 4) it should have been tweaked. The current system where the winning side is constantly making 2xs as much as the losing side is horrible.

People will usually choose more money instead of less money. As a result one side will jsut continue to get more money and pilots. Generally the side with more money and pilots wins at eve and fw is proving to be no exception.

There is almost no gap between T2 and T4 right now...... the price of LPs are so low that when Minnies are at T3 and Amarr is at T2 you make better isk as Amarr, not much, its almost even, about 2-5 mill more per hour

At Minnie T4 and Amarr T2, minnies earn around 15-25m more per hour, yes thats a good chunk of change, but they are winning and need a reward

As Amarr I get 1425 isk per LP on faction Battleships that can move my LPs in massive ammounts quickly....if I take smaller items like Faction Ammo or Datacores its around 1600-1800 isk per LP and still moves quickly

If i take a few select specialty items that dont move well and or need tags I can move a few LP and earn up to 2900 isk per LP (thats the best item I have so far)

Minnies BS sales net you around 900-1100 isk per LP, datacores is in the high 800s to maybe 1000 if your lucky

With the minnies items selling for around 40-60% less per LP the 75% evens out, and at 150% yes they make more isk, but not much, and have 3 times the items to hual and move about

STOP WHINING ABOUT THE ISK! All isk for every faction is good unless you are T1 and even this T1 FW isk is better than highsec missions unless you have a max skilled BS pilot and even then its close, since T1 can bring in around 30-40m isk an hour in a t1 frig!!!!

Stop WHINING ABOUT THE ISK!

Except that those VP numbers mean absolutely nothing as long plexing is as dumbed down as it is ... all the alts from the nine month FarmWar are still in play with the only difference being some stabs and guns.

The VP count also does not differentiate between defensive and offensive plexing, so while one side might be swarming alts doing offensive for max LP gains the other might be doing defensive for nerfed LP gains ho hold on to a specific tier .. I know that was the situation last week on the Amarr/Shakorite front.

So no, the tier system is indeed not particularly conducive to a healthy and competitive atmosphere. Better than the spiking nonsense, but not by much.

Right except vp is not always awarded when plexes are captured so those numbers are pretty useless. For example I could capture an amarr plex as a gallente at tier 4 or as a minmatar at tier 3. Gallente will pay me more lp but there won't be any vp registered.

The truth is that caldari's only chance of getting out of this funk is for a null sec alliance to decide to bail them out.

The truth is that more people are choosing more money instead of less money.

Just because you have your alts out orbiting buttons in empty systems does not prove you have any more insight into how the game should change.

In fact since you are one of the odd birds who actually cares about winning the sov war under this current system, it tends to prove you are out of touch. Most people are just farming. There are about 20 people who are like you and really care about trying to win sov under this system.

You Sasawong and Cynthia Nezmor should have a big battle of alts and who ever wins that battle wins faction war. Most people who have done it for as long as you guys realize its just a horrible grind.

I logged in last night and zero fights were given..

Look I am not going to give all the best lp store prices but you keep using the lowest amount of lp per hour and saying the difference in isk per hour is not that great. Lets say you run about 7 Level 4 missions and 7 level 3 missions in 2.5 hours. At tier 4 that would be what about 70k lp per level 4 mission and about 18 k per level 3. Thats 490k plus 126 lp, or 616k lp in 2.5 or 246,400 lp per hour. At tier 2 you will be making about 90klp per hour.

With amarr you might get about 1.5k/lp versus 1.1k/lp unless you decide you want to become a trader. (Allot of the items that are good for trade are in both stores so you will get the straigt up nearly 3x increase.) Minmatar are getting about 271 million per hour and amarr are gettign about 135 mill per hour.

Why would a corp deciding to join faction war choose less money?

If an item is temporarilly selling at a very high lp/isk amount it won't take long before it gets out and that market crashes. If you found an item that is selling for 2xs what most are going for then good on you. But its not the norm and it likely won't last.