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How to counter Strategic Cruisers?
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Flyingleanpocket
Amarrian Vengeance
#21 - 2013-01-12 22:02:59 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Blob them. That's how you win in EVE.



This


ShahFluffers wrote:
Ewar. Lots of Ewar.

Energy neutralizers will ruin Proteuses and Legions.
Sensor dampeners will infuriate Tengus.
Tracking Disruptors will wreak havoc on Proteuses, Lokis, and some Legion builds.



Or this, they're good but few ships are impervious to ewar



Zarnak Wulf wrote:
T3 nerf is coming. Just wait a while



They dont need a nerf just because people are unimaginative and baddies play right into the hands of "solo pwnmobile t3 pilots"

They're worse than the highly specialized racial ewar cruisers, and theyre many times more expensive than hacs. Cost is a balancing factor, and Eve is pay to win despite what is vehemently asserted by CCP
terzslave
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-01-13 01:51:50 UTC
NAPOCS!!!!
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#23 - 2013-01-13 02:20:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Machiavelli's Nemesis
I really don't see the problem as risk vs reward goes.

Look on this forum, you will find people complaining that it's hard to find 1v1s without the other party bringing overwhelming support THEN you also find people complaining that a solo ship has no effective solo counter.

In short, HTFU.

I've flown cloaky T3s in lowsec tons of times, they give me the option of evading a blob, limited engagement (in the case of a loki with boosted web range) or just going balls deep and wiping out whole gangs (Protus lol http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10491341).

I take on the risk of fighting outnumbered, I take on the risk of losing SP if I die. Is it too much to ask that your response gang includes a Guardian or Curse to shut me down before you come demanding CCP do something to stop me?

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-01-13 04:19:14 UTC
Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:
I really don't see the problem as risk vs reward goes.

Look on this forum, you will find people complaining that it's hard to find 1v1s without the other party bringing overwhelming support THEN you also find people complaining that a solo ship has no effective solo counter.

In short, HTFU.

I've flown cloaky T3s in lowsec tons of times, they give me the option of evading a blob, limited engagement (in the case of a loki with boosted web range) or just going balls deep and wiping out whole gangs (Protus lol http://minmatar.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=10491341).

I take on the risk of fighting outnumbered, I take on the risk of losing SP if I die. Is it too much to ask that your response gang includes a Guardian or Curse to shut me down before you come demanding CCP do something to stop me?

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pretty typical if I'm honest.
T3 are known for winning solo against gangs if fitted properly .

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Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#25 - 2013-01-13 06:40:09 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Legions , Tengus , Loki...

All names that would instantly send a chill down the spine of those listening on the intel channel.
Fast , agile , and very lethal.
They are among the MOST dangerous ships to fight and perhaps one of the most resilient on the battlefield .

With the damage potential of a Battleship and agility of a cruiser , just how do you counter them???

In this game of Rock Paper Scissors Spock.
Just what can we use to defeat Spock??


Your own T3s.
Battleship to kill close range T3.
Rapiers to kill funny Tengus.
Generally: thinking for yourself and not just bringing in ten times more pilots and hoping for the best.
Rammes lol
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-01-13 07:48:31 UTC
Well in my experience I never had a problem with T3s because once you see that in Intel everyone anyone and there brother fleets up to get a kill mail. End result its blob attack for the win.

If you find yourself in a fair fight in EvE your tactics suck!!!
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#27 - 2013-01-13 07:57:12 UTC
Rammes lol wrote:
Well in my experience I never had a problem with T3s because once you see that in Intel everyone anyone and there brother fleets up to get a kill mail. End result its blob attack for the win.


And people wonder why there is no real pvp in noobsec... Shocked
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-01-13 08:49:52 UTC
Cynthia Nezmor wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Legions , Tengus , Loki...

All names that would instantly send a chill down the spine of those listening on the intel channel.
Fast , agile , and very lethal.
They are among the MOST dangerous ships to fight and perhaps one of the most resilient on the battlefield .

With the damage potential of a Battleship and agility of a cruiser , just how do you counter them???

In this game of Rock Paper Scissors Spock.
Just what can we use to defeat Spock??


Your own T3s.
Battleship to kill close range T3.
Rapiers to kill funny Tengus.
Generally: thinking for yourself and not just bringing in ten times more pilots and hoping for the best.



T3 speed tanking BS damage
Long range scrammers and disruptors kites the raiper.
If I think only for myself and not follow FC ,I will get popped faster than you can say Nostradamus

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Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#29 - 2013-01-13 11:09:27 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Cynthia Nezmor wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Legions , Tengus , Loki...

All names that would instantly send a chill down the spine of those listening on the intel channel.
Fast , agile , and very lethal.
They are among the MOST dangerous ships to fight and perhaps one of the most resilient on the battlefield .

With the damage potential of a Battleship and agility of a cruiser , just how do you counter them???

In this game of Rock Paper Scissors Spock.
Just what can we use to defeat Spock??


Your own T3s.
Battleship to kill close range T3.
Rapiers to kill funny Tengus.
Generally: thinking for yourself and not just bringing in ten times more pilots and hoping for the best.



T3 speed tanking BS damage
Long range scrammers and disruptors kites the raiper.
If I think only for myself and not follow FC ,I will get popped faster than you can say Nostradamus


I killed proteus solo with my t1 Mega while having 90% navy webs on me.
Rapier webs at 106 km, good look kiting that.
My point is you should play this game with the intention of being a tiny little bit better than what you were yesterday while having fun. Bringing the same clueless horde of noobs is just one solution. Trying to counter those "op" ships is the better. Thinking about a setup that can beat them, and beating them using the same number of people and not just 200 Rifters/Nagas is much more rewarding, you should try it sometimes!
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries
xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
#30 - 2013-01-14 11:05:37 UTC
The counters.

Cloaky nullified t3 - A blob sitting on the other side of the gate its jumping through sitting around 15km off the gate so the ship cant cloak

Combat 100mn t3 - Webs, once you pin down one of these ships they arent going to last long atall.

Brawling fit t3 - Neuts (these tend to be either legions or proteus's) shut off their guns so you can kill them in due course

/Princess

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Domineren
Stain Corp.
#31 - 2013-01-14 13:02:02 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:

/SNIP


considering tengus are about as common as T3 comes , and people are saying how other T3s are crap compared to it .
How do you kill a cruiser than can speed tank 2000+dps while dishing 600-700 omni dps ?

um who told you other T3s are crap compared to tengu? Proteus is like playing on god mode

Senn Denroth - Highsec PVP is only for the elite of the elite....

Ex-Rebirth....and miner.  Fight me.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#32 - 2013-01-14 13:44:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Snake
in the days of 100mn tengus the best cocktail to kill them was .... 1 rapier, 1 falcon, 1 intie, 1 AF and 2 neuting canes ...... it actually worked on any t3s, but i saw some of the tengus died to simple armor cane with dual web ....

after cruiser buff people kinda stopped flying them because every 1 year old noob can blob u with webs and 600 dps vexors with logies.
Tennessee Jack
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-01-14 14:49:05 UTC
A 600,000 ehp Proteus.. would take 10 destroyers, doing 1000 dps, a minute to kill.

Oh yea, need to bring 2 to 3 ECM boats, and 2 to 3 Insta Lock Inties to web the thing, and pod the pod.

... thats if he is alone, and for some odd reason can't kill the Destroyers.
Doddy
Excidium.
#34 - 2013-01-14 14:52:56 UTC
neuts. Also the pilots are often idiots, which helps.
Serkaan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-01-14 15:06:33 UTC
One word Rapazu.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-01-14 16:11:46 UTC
Princess Saskia wrote:
The counters.

Cloaky nullified t3 - A blob sitting on the other side of the gate its jumping through sitting around 15km off the gate so the ship cant cloak

Combat 100mn t3 - Webs, once you pin down one of these ships they arent going to last long atall.

Brawling fit t3 - Neuts (these tend to be either legions or proteus's) shut off their guns so you can kill them in due course

/Princess


Cloaky nullified : Blobbing
100mn : Super T2 gang
Brawling : Super neuts


2 out of 3 includes blobbing and chiddy chiddy gang banging ...
Since when pvp devolved into such a state?

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Serkaan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-01-14 16:30:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Serkaan
Well a Loki with a web and neut. They are elite cruisers and relatively expensive should be hard to kill right... LOL
Gah'Matar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#38 - 2013-01-14 17:50:15 UTC
Tennessee Jack wrote:
A 600,000 ehp Proteus.. would take 10 destroyers, doing 1000 dps, a minute to kill.

Oh yea, need to bring 2 to 3 ECM boats, and 2 to 3 Insta Lock Inties to web the thing, and pod the pod.

... thats if he is alone, and for some odd reason can't kill the Destroyers.


To get that kind of tank, he's running active hardeners. Neut him... 2-3 dragoons and his tank will collapse to raw hp.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-01-15 00:05:19 UTC
Well by the time you see him active tanked , the chances are you're in a Brutix or a Drake or one of the more mainstream ships.
You possibly can't be suggesting we should go take a cane ??

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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
Awesome Alliance
#40 - 2013-01-15 01:46:25 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Legions , Tengus , Loki...

All names that would instantly send a chill down the spine of those listening on the intel channel.
Fast , agile , and very lethal.
They are among the MOST dangerous ships to fight and perhaps one of the most resilient on the battlefield .

With the damage potential of a Battleship and agility of a cruiser , just how do you counter them???

In this game of Rock Paper Scissors Spock.
Just what can we use to defeat Spock??


Tengu isn't very dangerous since heavy missile nerf.
If you have a small group of fast frigates + a few webs and don't do anything silly like leave ur mwd on while getting shot at then Tengu isn't very dangerous anymore.

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