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Level 3s and the Drake vs. armor tanks.
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Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#21 - 2013-01-14 12:39:27 UTC
Tohsy Noirceur wrote:

So it does sound like a skills issue more than anything? Most of the skills are around lvl 3 (some 4) within engineering/electronics/missile launcher operation/navigation/drones/mechanics, although I'm likely still missing a lot of skills. (Didn't know of Drone Interfacing, for example).


That would be my general conclusion as well. While your fit isn't bad, it sort of has the smell of something that's being limited by how much fitting power you've got.

Remember that damage increases are going to be multiplicative, so raising everything by a point with missiles skills is going to be a substantial bump in damage even if it looks like you're getting hit by diminishing returns skill-by-skill. Similarly, getting your engineering and electronics to V, getting your Weapon upgrades to V, and shoving a few points into Advanced Weapon upgrades doesn't waste too much of your time (a week or two, maybe) and will not only let you fit a last full-sized launcher in the high slot, it'll likely free up that low slot you're using to boost your power for something more useful (even another BCU would be preferable).

Similarly, getting your secondary skills up to where you can use T2 versions of things helps a lot. BCU II is really the big one, here, and I don't think it even requires getting V to anything. Getting decent (IV, usually, but III if you're generalizing) levels of skill in the rigs you're using keeps them from screwing up your fitting stats.

Ideally, as a PVE player you're going to want to be able to build a ship without downgrading anything or wasting any slots on modules you're fitting just so you can fit another module by the time you're flying BCs. If you're close, but not quite there, make up the difference with _implants_ instead.

(You may also want to look up your missions online to see if they're strong against kinetic and swap your missiles, but the skill gap is probably the largest factor in why this is frustrating for you. And, yeah, go back to flattening level IIs for a week or so while you at least get your fitting skills done, would be my advice. Or keep doing L3s and just have a friend come and help.)
Doddy
Excidium.
#22 - 2013-01-14 13:05:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Doddy
Tohsy Noirceur wrote:
Hello, I'm not 100% sure if this is the right spot, but hopefully you can help me out a bit. I have about 1.3 mill SP atm and have been working my way up to flying a raven for lvl 4 missions. ATM I'm using a drake for level 3s and having a lot of trouble on a couple missions. (Mainly "My Sweet Privateer" and "Eliminate the Pirate Campers") It's not so much I can't survive, it's just that it takes forever for these ships to die.


My main issue is that I'll encounter some cruisers or frigates that are armor tanks. Health wise I can survive fairly well due to the drake's passive shield tanking, but I often find myself using around +600 missiles on one target just trying to shave down their armor. (Oddly the battleships/battlecruisers often go down easier than the cruisers / certain frigates.)

From the fitting menu, it's saying I only do about 155.2 dps. 25.2 from drones and 130.0 from missiles. Is this low for dps?

Here's the fitting:

Drones:
Hobgoblins I w. Hammerhead I drones (Hammerheads normally get blown up fairly quickly though)

Rigs:

3x Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Low:
2x Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
2x Ballistic Control System I

Medium:
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
2x Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Thermic Dissipation Field I
Limited "Anointed" EM Ward Field
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron (Target Painter)

High:
1x Limited 'Limos' Rapid Light Missile Launcher
6x Advanced 'Limos' Heavy Missile Bay I (Normally use Scourge Heavy Missiles, due to the most damage)
1x Small Tractor Beam I

(Can't equip another heavy launcher due to a full powergrid/ insuffecient CPU)



Is there some major issue with this build that's causing a problem? Is it the low skills? Any help/recommendations would be appreciated. Regardless if I kite the ships or stay within 20 km or so... the armor repair rate just kills me.


Thank you.




Its the skills. With such little sp you can't be getting much out of the drake. The higher up the ship tree you go the more important it is to have support skills. A low sp drake will always struggle against an elite rat cruiser, especially if its one not week against kinetic.

Also t1 bcus are terrible, t2 takes no time to train.
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