Warfare & Tactics

They rep too much and have ridiculous range for a t1 cruiser.

I think you're simply just going through the growing pains of a corp that is trying to mature and become better. It is quite natural to have pilots who don't want to do anything but KM whore or only undock when an FC logs on and gets a big blobby fleet together. I see it in many corps including mine. Quite normal, actually.

Asking for the devs to change game design to simply benefit your corp or warzone while not considering the rest of New Eden is quite selfish and myopic in view. Having a 300+ corp that can blob anything is a good problem to have. The challenge is how to get a large entity like Fweddit to act nimble and quick within the context of small gang pew without being bogged down by its sheer numbers. Trinket gave some helpful advice; multiple fleets of smaller numbers. This allows pilots to get to know each others weaknesses and strengths. More FCs can develop as well. You can never have enough of those.

T1 Logi is fine. It's just corp culture that you need to mold and change

The effectiveness of a t1 logistics ship is not out of line with the effectiveness of a blackbird or arbitrator. I'd imagine most FW fleet comps you see lately would be just as effective if you replaced every t1 logi ship in it with a blackbird.

Further, ad-hoc roams are still possible. The reason that fleets with real compositions seem much more common lately is that Fweddit and the other Amarr FW groups are out to capture systems rather than just find fights. When you're taking fights more seriously (ie the goal isn't to run around and shoot ****) it starts making sense to use more 'serious' fleet comps. So, naturally things like logi and ewar are going to become more common. The fact that no one undocks without logi seems like a Fweddit problem, not a balance problem.

So the people who are currently online don't fly logi. Who cares? Grab some ewar instead. One Celestis is capable of taking more than one logistics ship out of the fight. Bring some of those instead of logi. Or just bring a ton of damage; it'll put you in a good position to wipe their logi faster. Is logi a good addition to a medium or large-sized fleet? Sure. But so are a ton of things, and just because you don't have one doesn't suddenly make PVP impossible...And you don't even need to be out in a fleet of 15-20+, either.

my t1 augoror fit+resist rigs+slaves+OGB (yes i openly use em cry about it)= omnomnomnom tank =]

you know ive heard this before and have taken down gangs like that with t1 stuff? its not about what you fly its how you fly it, and clearly you dont know wtf youre talking about =], its soo easy to counter that using a few celestis and 2 blackbirds

CCP's downtime switcher and all your "Damnation+prot+loki+guards+moar HACS" = some bits of some HDD

If CCP could find a solution to add Logistics and Scouts to the killmails, all this really wouldnt matter.

Its not that you dont have the pilots to fly logistics, with the new T1 hulls being used alot, most can fly them with very little skills.

I belive it all comes down to not getting on the killmail which makes it hard to have people jump into a logistic ship, ended up with small mid-size fleet sitting docked for longer time to get their fleets sorted.

They dont need a nerf, they are find as is.

why does it need scaling back , there no where near as effective as the t2 version, and tengus are rubbish now unless of course your using t2 hams, You say its op but it really isnt

get used to it .... use more ewar, alfa and neuts (t1 logies are mor vulnerable to it)

This all leads to blob culture, which is stupid but actually preferred by CCP.

I personally like that most of the new cruisers have one spare mid slot so you can slap one racial ECM on it (with OH u get 5-7 str. which is decent to jam some of the logies) or u can slap on it damp and go on.

If I will let the nefr bat hit .... I would probably make them softer so people will keep flying them, but they would be easier to kil (and I am talking about cruiser size - frigs are ok nowadays).

In general logies are not bad ... it is just matter of picking the right fights and strategy to beat them (have u ever seen what neuting vexor can do to 2 augorors ?

We've regularly been flying in "ad-hoc" gangs with T1 logistics and they're great. Can't understand why you'd want to go back to the no skill option so prevelant pre-retribution. For god's sake just adapt, we want the fights.