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Incursion sites kept open on purpose

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Agent Type
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#141 - 2013-01-12 23:05:47 UTC
Hah, joined a channel today looking to get into Incursions. Was quickly informed about this and that it was not possible at the moment. Yay.
Yuri Wayfare
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
#142 - 2013-01-13 09:05:35 UTC
Looks like you got the short end of the stick. Pay the man.

"Suddenly, trash pickers! HUNDREDS of winos going through your recyclables." -Piugattuk

Be careful what you wish for.

sureis
The Gold Club
#143 - 2013-01-13 10:09:47 UTC
goldiiee wrote:
Kroaky Oke wrote:
ppl are saying that deleting a noob toon with a low sec status and re-rolling another is an exploit ..... why not just create a TRIAL account ... gank with that and then let the trial expire ?? thats not an exploit
And before ppl reply with "1 trial wont be enough" a HQ site takes 40-50 pilots .... thats 40-50 trial toons .... it would only take 10 per site to eliminate this problem , even if you have to put those trial toons in cheap frigs
Plus ccp might actualy notice that every day or so 40-50 trials are going flashy red then being dumped
If ppl put as much effort into out-thinking this guy as they put into complaining , the problem would be solved by now

As the sites’ mechanic requires them to be vacated for 5 minutes (guessing)to allow them to despawn it wouldn’t matter if we had 300 gank alts in system as soon as you think the site has been cleared of the pest and warp away he can simply warp in another and still hold the site.

THIS MECHANIC IS BROKEN AS THERE IS NO COUNTER TO IT.



Ah yes. Unpaid trial accounts vs. unpaid trial accounts to determine the game of 100 shiney pirate battleships. Obviously this is an important game mechanic. I think they should make a patch where any trial account in the whole incursion constellation freezes the HQ site and the HQ fleets have to search every system until they find the noobship and then gank it and spank it. There should be a new HQ site where you need a noobship in fleet and once the battletower goes down you have to pod the trial noob. Why didn't they think of this before?
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#144 - 2013-01-13 14:54:29 UTC
sureis wrote:
goldiiee wrote:
Kroaky Oke wrote:
ppl are saying that deleting a noob toon with a low sec status and re-rolling another is an exploit ..... why not just create a TRIAL account ... gank with that and then let the trial expire ?? thats not an exploit
And before ppl reply with "1 trial wont be enough" a HQ site takes 40-50 pilots .... thats 40-50 trial toons .... it would only take 10 per site to eliminate this problem , even if you have to put those trial toons in cheap frigs
Plus ccp might actualy notice that every day or so 40-50 trials are going flashy red then being dumped
If ppl put as much effort into out-thinking this guy as they put into complaining , the problem would be solved by now

As the sites’ mechanic requires them to be vacated for 5 minutes (guessing)to allow them to despawn it wouldn’t matter if we had 300 gank alts in system as soon as you think the site has been cleared of the pest and warp away he can simply warp in another and still hold the site.

THIS MECHANIC IS BROKEN AS THERE IS NO COUNTER TO IT.



Ah yes. Unpaid trial accounts vs. unpaid trial accounts to determine the game of 100 shiney pirate battleships. Obviously this is an important game mechanic. I think they should make a patch where any trial account in the whole incursion constellation freezes the HQ site and the HQ fleets have to search every system until they find the noobship and then gank it and spank it. There should be a new HQ site where you need a noobship in fleet and once the battletower goes down you have to pod the trial noob. Why didn't they think of this before?

Perhaps we can even add a feature with that, the noobs corpses can be stuck on the spike of nightmare as warning to others. Lol

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.

Bee Rad'z Dark
Blood Ravens.
#145 - 2013-01-13 17:19:03 UTC
Here is a possible solution if anyone is actually paying attention.

If the person holding up the site is griefing why not after the site is finished give him a 2 min warning before he is givin a suspect flag, seeing as though ransoming is considered a criminal activity in the real world.... Then make it to where pods cannot hold open a site. Thus enabling in highsec to gank him and not be able to hold the site open.
Agent Type
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#146 - 2013-01-13 18:17:20 UTC
Is CCP aware of this issue? I haven't seen a response. I am still trying to do my first Incursion, but I am unable due to sites being held open by other players.
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
#147 - 2013-01-13 21:40:32 UTC
This is some funny **** Twisted

Is it a rock point a lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship point a lazer at it and profit. I dont see any problems here.

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#148 - 2013-01-14 00:49:59 UTC
CCP, these folks deserve an answer.

Whether it's an 'exploit' or simply a terrible game mechanic, fix it. Risk-free, nearly effortless, uncounterable griefing has no place in EVE.
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
#149 - 2013-01-14 05:33:47 UTC
The day the newbie alts struck fear into hearts of Vets everywere at least in High sec. Lol

Is it a rock point a lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship point a lazer at it and profit. I dont see any problems here.

Vengeance Thirst
Sons Of Decebal
#150 - 2013-01-14 11:39:34 UTC
Its more and more obvious that ccp is trying to nerf isk making through out eve.

The lack of response for this thread, the new ai ... in lvl4 missions?.... What ccp doesent seem to understand is that the less isk we make the lass acconts we have... the less accounts we have the less plexes are been bought to be sold to us.

So its either that or i really dont get what are they trying to do by supporting this illegality.

As i said before and so did everyone else here that has more understanding than a stick: What this guy is doing can not be viably countered. He is making isk at no cost for hes ships / mods. He is using a game mechanic not ment to be used in this way, and if we want to gank him we get penalty and isk loos.

This is a unbalanced game mechanic if I were to go for what ccp response was in the petition, when they said its all good.
Vengeance Thirst
Sons Of Decebal
#151 - 2013-01-14 11:40:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Vengeance Thirst
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Doddy
Excidium.
#152 - 2013-01-14 12:17:46 UTC
Run incursions in null or lo sec and you are free to kill him.
Pavel Sohaj
BAND of MAGNUS
Hole Control
#153 - 2013-01-14 16:04:42 UTC
Thats truly smart answer. perhaps we should just head with a 100bil fleet down to Goon territory and do incursion there.

What other great idea you may have good sir?
Tama Cardeen
Doomheim
#154 - 2013-01-14 16:45:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tama Cardeen
I'm Tama I'm a anti-incursion alt trained for 1 week with 200k ehp I'll be dual armour repping with my friend afk all day now. :) enjoy no high sec incursions!

You can freely go do a low or null sec incursion and actually pvp for the right to make sick amounts of isk.
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#155 - 2013-01-14 16:56:42 UTC
Tama Cardeen wrote:
I'm Tama I'm a anti-incursion alt trained for 1 week with 200k ehp I'll be dual armour repping with my friend afk all day now. :) enjoy no high sec incursions!

You can freely go do a low or null sec incursion and actually pvp for the right to make sick amounts of isk.

The mating call of the 'I don't have anyone to play with me' lows sec parrot

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.

Tama Cardeen
Doomheim
#156 - 2013-01-14 16:58:54 UTC
goldiiee wrote:
Tama Cardeen wrote:
I'm Tama I'm a anti-incursion alt trained for 1 week with 200k ehp I'll be dual armour repping with my friend afk all day now. :) enjoy no high sec incursions!

You can freely go do a low or null sec incursion and actually pvp for the right to make sick amounts of isk.

The mating call of the 'I don't have anyone to play with me' lows sec parrot


pfft I play eve 2 to 3 hours max every other day on my main, this char will be on the other 22 hrs per day that I'm at work or sleeping.
Kithran
#157 - 2013-01-14 18:54:49 UTC
Tama Cardeen wrote:
goldiiee wrote:
Tama Cardeen wrote:
I'm Tama I'm a anti-incursion alt trained for 1 week with 200k ehp I'll be dual armour repping with my friend afk all day now. :) enjoy no high sec incursions!

You can freely go do a low or null sec incursion and actually pvp for the right to make sick amounts of isk.

The mating call of the 'I don't have anyone to play with me' lows sec parrot


pfft I play eve 2 to 3 hours max every other day on my main, this char will be on the other 22 hrs per day that I'm at work or sleeping.


I think you have just guaranteed that CCP will do something to deal with this issue - afterall it was people going afk in cloaked ships in null sec sites preventing them from despawning which led to them having to change the null sec exploration mechanics to prevent sites being held open permanently.

Oh and unless your 2 to 3 hours happen to fall over downtime congratulations on admitting botting - how else could you log back on when you are afk....
Tama Cardeen
Doomheim
#158 - 2013-01-14 19:34:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tama Cardeen
Kithran wrote:
Tama Cardeen wrote:
goldiiee wrote:
Tama Cardeen wrote:
I'm Tama I'm a anti-incursion alt trained for 1 week with 200k ehp I'll be dual armour repping with my friend afk all day now. :) enjoy no high sec incursions!

You can freely go do a low or null sec incursion and actually pvp for the right to make sick amounts of isk.

The mating call of the 'I don't have anyone to play with me' lows sec parrot


pfft I play eve 2 to 3 hours max every other day on my main, this char will be on the other 22 hrs per day that I'm at work or sleeping.


I think you have just guaranteed that CCP will do something to deal with this issue - afterall it was people going afk in cloaked ships in null sec sites preventing them from despawning which led to them having to change the null sec exploration mechanics to prevent sites being held open permanently.

Oh and unless your 2 to 3 hours happen to fall over downtime congratulations on admitting botting - how else could you log back on when you are afk....


Why does CCP have to do something, the point in the cloak fix was that players were powerless which they no longer are due to fix.?High sec Afking is not a problem as you can simply war dec me (oh wait I'm in an NPC corp).

There is the fix which is long overdue. Make NPC corps war decable problem solved, go fix this issue ccp.

You could in the mean time sucide me but it's gonna be pretty expensive as this harbi is plated a fair amount :)
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#159 - 2013-01-14 20:18:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Goldiiee
Tama Cardeen wrote:
Kithran wrote:
Tama Cardeen wrote:
goldiiee wrote:
Tama Cardeen wrote:
I'm Tama I'm a anti-incursion alt trained for 1 week with 200k ehp I'll be dual armour repping with my friend afk all day now. :) enjoy no high sec incursions!

You can freely go do a low or null sec incursion and actually pvp for the right to make sick amounts of isk.

The mating call of the 'I don't have anyone to play with me' lows sec parrot


pfft I play eve 2 to 3 hours max every other day on my main, this char will be on the other 22 hrs per day that I'm at work or sleeping.


I think you have just guaranteed that CCP will do something to deal with this issue - afterall it was people going afk in cloaked ships in null sec sites preventing them from despawning which led to them having to change the null sec exploration mechanics to prevent sites being held open permanently.

Oh and unless your 2 to 3 hours happen to fall over downtime congratulations on admitting botting - how else could you log back on when you are afk....


Why does CCP have to do something, the point in the cloak fix was that players were powerless which they no longer are due to fix.?High sec Afking is not a problem as you can simply war dec me (oh wait I'm in an NPC corp).

There is the fix which is long overdue. Make NPC corps war decable problem solved, go fix this issue ccp.

You could in the mean time sucide me but it's gonna be pretty expensive as this harbi is plated a fair amount :)

I am amazed yet again, low sec gets one set of rules but if high sec ask for the same set there is some profound yet mysterious reason why it should not. If low sec sites can’t be held by a toon ‘everyone is powerless to stop’, then why should high sec not be able to have the same rule considered for them?

As you are willing to park a bot AFK in high sec to prevent a site from spawning I can only assume you would have no problem with a reversal of the fix for cloaked ships holding sites.

Additionally I think it should be noted that current site squatting to date has been for monetary gain, whereas your example is done as pure ‘grief’ (considering an AFK toon holding a site cannot be coerced through ISK to relinquish the site) therefore it is a violation of the EULA.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.

amurder Hakomairos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#160 - 2013-01-14 20:24:57 UTC
Or they could change it so that player ships can't hold open a site when all the NPC ships are killed. Problem solved, go back to can baiting and suicide ganking.