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how much isk can i expect to lose learning to pvp well and fc on my own in a new start up corp.

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-01-14 10:06:51 UTC
Buy 50 rifters.
Stick to t1 fittings.
Lose them all.
Learn that every idiot basically uses the same fitting.
Buy 50 more rifters.
Outsmart them.
Win.
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-01-14 10:12:21 UTC
If you decide to start learning in Nyx's then lots.

If you decide to start learning in T1 frigs, then not much.

I'd imagine, if you're flying frigs\cruisers then between 5-60mil per ship. Depending on what it is and how often you die.
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#23 - 2013-01-14 11:47:39 UTC
If you join FW as a corp you can fly with organised (and disorganised) fleets to get the basics of fleet organisation while getting some pew time and hopefully a bit of earnings while you're at it.
Skorpynekomimi
#24 - 2013-01-14 12:26:18 UTC
I'd say about 100-200mil, by the time you REALLY get the hang of it. That's T1 frig hulls, fittings, clones, and the like.

Economic PVP

Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#25 - 2013-01-14 12:40:46 UTC
At least 16 billion before you are pro

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ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#26 - 2013-01-14 12:55:22 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
The trainer rifter used by our organisation is worth less than the ammo used to kill it.

1 large phased plasma costs more than a fully fit Rifter?

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.

Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#27 - 2013-01-14 13:23:30 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
You will never learn to be a great PVPer on your own.

I try to explain it to people this way. (Caps for emphasis).

THERE IS ALMOST 10 YEARS OF TACTICS AND SKILLS AND COMBAT DEVELOPMENT BEHIND YOU.

I don't care how good you are at games. You are NOT going to walk into EVE and learn to be competitive without someone there to help you learn certain things faster.

You are talking about a 10 year learning curve to overcome. If you think you can do without this experience from other people, that's just arrogant.


Not sure if this is a bittervet ego trip or noob fail-raging. Smile

It is absolutely possible to teach yourself to PvP and to FC effectively. Google and a pile of cheap T1 ships will be your best friends. Somebody mentioned RvB, and it is a great place to start your education. The limitation of RvB is that there is no real application for RvB style fleets and tactics outside of RvB. You may find that the challenge with starting a new corp for this goal is recruiting enough people to get decently sized fleets going. Recruitment is a tough, slow going process when you are starting from zero.

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Shadowschild
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-01-14 16:46:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Shadowschild
Stonecrusher Mortlock wrote:
how much isk can i expect to lose learning to pvp well and fc on my own in a new start up corp?

I'm partly planning to foot the bill with plexs but I need to know what to expect.



It's not so much the money, it's the experience your paying for. You can expect to dish out 45m to fit T1 cruisers respectively (T2).
Frigates I would assume like 15m. Battlecruisers will set you back around 90m. Battleships around 160-260m

Honestly, if your in empire I recommend you go to war with a similarly large corp becauase low sec will **** your face.
Doc Severiide
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-01-14 17:03:22 UTC
None of this...

Buy a Vindicator, fit it with Officer mods. Name the ship something horrible like "Killer" or "Mean Dude"... People will be so intimidated and frightened no one will shoot at you. Win win...
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#30 - 2013-01-14 23:05:40 UTC
Doc Severiide wrote:
None of this...

Buy a Vindicator, fit it with Officer mods. Name the ship something horrible like "Killer" or "Mean Dude"... People will be so intimidated and frightened no one will shoot at you. Win win...

Only Machariels called "zZxX_P1r4t3_XxZz" will dare fight you.

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.

Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-01-14 23:09:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
And here we go.... Roll
Confused yet Op? Big smile I sure would be in your position.


I think that I will just send you an EVE Mail in game instead. If you like what I said then you can get back to me. In the meantime click on the link in my sig and check out the information there. There are some FC tutorials among other things.

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SB Rico
Sumo Wrestlers
#32 - 2013-01-15 05:46:34 UTC
OK so let's be honest, it is not impossible to teach yourself to PVP or FC, but it is extremely hard. The whole ten years of learning that someone else mentioned is a valid point but bear in mind PVP constantly evolves from people who do things differently and not just follow the 10 years we have done it this way thing.

However, expect to lose a lot in the sort term at least, putting an isk value on this is impossible as there is no information on the ships you plan to use, the frequency of ops and the number of pilots.

Experience is the key to overcoming initial obstacles in PVP I would actually recommend trying to recruit an experienced FC or doing as I did when I started out - take month long "holidays" from the corp in PVP focused alliances to learn from their pilots and FCs.

Use the test server as well to get cheap practice, you will often find people on there who will help you understand what went right or wrong.

Scammers are currently selling killrights on this toon for up to 5mil, if you have paid for this service demand your money back at once.

Killing me should be for free.

Ayuren Aakiwa
Shadow Legion X
Seriously Suspicious
#33 - 2013-01-15 06:01:19 UTC
It can be very expensive or not too bad depending on what ships your using and how fast you learn.
Solosky
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-01-15 07:55:10 UTC
I beleive most complicated FCing in EVE are incursion fleets (because there you actually have responsibility unlike in PvP where you'll lose ships anyway). Join incursion communities, train to incursion FC, earn some ISK in the process to sponsor your future endeavors, then join RvB for few weeks, then FW. Most likely you'll have profit in this scheme.
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-01-15 08:25:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyprus Black
Stonecrusher Mortlock wrote:
how much isk can i expect to lose learning to pvp well and fc on my own in a new start up corp?

I'm partly planning to foot the bill with plexs but I need to know what to expect.
Well, if you're PvP'ing and practicing to be an FC on the SISI server, it'll cost you a few thousand isk at most. Everything on the SISI server costs 100 isk. Many players, corporations and alliances practice PvP there for that very reason.

I myself have tried quite a number of insane and bizarre ship fits on SISI. Most have been disastrous, some surprisingly effective. All would've been extremely expensive if it were on the main server.

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Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-01-15 09:25:12 UTC
Stonecrusher Mortlock wrote:
how much isk can i expect to lose learning to pvp well and fc on my own in a new start up corp?

I'm partly planning to foot the bill with plexs but I need to know what to expect.


In all honesty, that is a very broad question.

Attacking others or defending? It does make a difference.

While attacking, you pick the targets so you won't be trying to pick on packs of T2's & BC's while flying cheap fit rifters and the like.

While fending off attacks, they will come at you with what they feel can beat you so trying to plan on "flying cheap" against opponents that will know you're trying this ...

FC = Fleet Commander. I take it you're not talking about 250 member crews but a small handful of folks, perhaps even just yourself with 1 or 2 alts.

Again, this will make a difference in costs and what you should be looking at with respect to planning.

Generic advice "fly cheap to avoid costly losses" but specifics will require a tad more detail to help you plan and determine costs.
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