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Faction Warfare....."conflcit of interests"

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ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#21 - 2013-01-13 05:11:19 UTC
subtle turtle wrote:
My god, can we please make FW sov a forum-posting mechanic already? It may be the only way the "losing" side will be able to come back. You could give a % to contest a system for every whiny complaint post to the eve-o forums.

Come to think of it, the minimatar/gallente do as much whiny forum posting as amarr/caldari, so it would probably wind up in 50/50 system control.



Posting on the forums, or having alts orbit buttons in empty systems. Are we supposed to prefer one to the other?
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#22 - 2013-01-13 06:01:04 UTC
greg01 wrote:
No other organisation would accept this type of policy


You are right. But I find it an even greater challenge to beat the frogs, the mintards, their GM friends and the actual devs working for them. Smile
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#23 - 2013-01-13 06:38:01 UTC
greg01 wrote:
How can the Caldari/Amarr Militia take Faction warfare seriously when CCP has a "conflict of interest" involvement in Gallente/Minmatar militias?

My only message to CCP is that this is an absolute disgrace. No other organisation would accept this type of policy. You need to "grow up" and set some standards............

https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie/status/289861379165396992

Hopefully Hans will get the boot from the CSM this year.





i think fozzie was one of the devs who mastered this victory to gallente , so no wonder.
ALUCARD 1208
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-01-13 17:07:47 UTC
Doddy
Excidium.
#25 - 2013-01-14 10:39:34 UTC
Hidden Snake wrote:
well ... in civilized corporateworld .... if somebody do this .... ie openly supports someone in tender for solution etc. is usually at least fired from the position or company(paralel is not perfect, but close). CCP unfortunately proved it prefers RP factors and opinion of some biased/interested employees. Well in past if this happened it usually ended up on pages of the gaming press. If you building society based games (most of the MMOs) you have to keep strictly neutral (between oposing sides). Something which was violated in past year or two in FW.

At the end everything is matter of CCP accounting .... if actual aproach is increasing the CCPs profit I understand dooming some players is quite ok - in RL I sometimes do similar decissions about our customers.

But what I see is creating another month or two of isk printing isk alts >>> decreasing price of plexes and destabilizing parts of the market. Happy new fiscal year CCP.


No, in civilised corporate world people running a competition tend to congratulate/reward the winners.
Arkadi Gavriil
Progressive State
#26 - 2013-01-14 11:15:45 UTC
subtle turtle wrote:
My god, can we please make FW sov a forum-posting mechanic already? It may be the only way the "losing" side will be able to come back. You could give a % to contest a system for every whiny complaint post to the eve-o forums.

Come to think of it, the minimatar/gallente do as much whiny forum posting as amarr/caldari, so it would probably wind up in 50/50 system control.


I think its just a FW thing in general. We all love a good moan/whinge/rant aimed at our opposing factions and were all guilty of it from time to time. It makes downtime go so much quicker Smile
Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
WE FORM V0LTA
#27 - 2013-01-14 12:03:11 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
I am revelling in what appears to be an epic thumbing off from CCP of the Gallente farming horde. We (Amarr/Shakorite) have our farmers of course but thankfully not nearly as bad as 'over there' .. hope is that the Gallente 'victory' spurs CCP into action and FW gets a last series of tweaks that can tide us over until CCP's gaze swings back our way (and save this front from the worst of the stabbed/cloaky=farming nonsense Big smile)


You probably need to stop taking this game so seriously.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#28 - 2013-01-14 13:17:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Hidden Snake
Doddy wrote:
Hidden Snake wrote:
well ... in civilized corporateworld .... if somebody do this .... ie openly supports someone in tender for solution etc. is usually at least fired from the position or company(paralel is not perfect, but close). CCP unfortunately proved it prefers RP factors and opinion of some biased/interested employees. Well in past if this happened it usually ended up on pages of the gaming press. If you building society based games (most of the MMOs) you have to keep strictly neutral (between oposing sides). Something which was violated in past year or two in FW.

At the end everything is matter of CCP accounting .... if actual aproach is increasing the CCPs profit I understand dooming some players is quite ok - in RL I sometimes do similar decissions about our customers.

But what I see is creating another month or two of isk printing isk alts >>> decreasing price of plexes and destabilizing parts of the market. Happy new fiscal year CCP.


No, in civilised corporate world people running a competition tend to congratulate/reward the winners.


Well if they get caught red handed several times ... that they openly favouring one or other side they got fired .... surprisingly even in the mess country of East Europe I live in.

I personally fired one idiot who thought launches and golf with vendor is ok .... and of course he was about to sign fat contract for them.
ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#29 - 2013-01-14 14:30:52 UTC
Devs should play the game.

They shouldn't spawn items for their alliance.

Nor should they make surprise patches when the timing is intended to help their militia.

I am confident that the october 22nd patch was not a surprise patch intended to help gallente.

But the whole surprise patch bit was a bad idea. It did show that ccp doesn't care about faction war at all. It basically told people in faction war "Oh you spent months organizing people and executing a strategy to obtain success? Thats nice, but we couldn't care less. So we will suddenly change the rules literally overnight and completely nullify everything you worked for."

That doesn't happen in any other area of eve except "lolfw." Just look at how many times they warned about the stupid skill changes for battlecruisers.
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
#30 - 2013-01-14 14:50:00 UTC
ground ctrl wrote:
Devs should play the game.

They shouldn't spawn items for their alliance.

Nor should they make surprise patches when the timing is intended to help their militia.

I am confident that the october 22nd patch was not a surprise patch intended to help gallente.

But the whole surprise patch bit was a bad idea. It did show that ccp doesn't care about faction war at all. It basically told people in faction war "Oh you spent months organizing people and executing a strategy to obtain success? Thats nice, but we couldn't care less. So we will suddenly change the rules literally overnight and completely nullify everything you worked for."

That doesn't happen in any other area of eve except "lolfw." Just look at how many times they warned about the stupid skill changes for battlecruisers.


well historical steps of the 2 developers in gallente militia are quite clear in last year or two ... so (tinfoil hat on) they intentionally helping their faction .... Gallente were very ready for this patch and their "go for tier 4"campaign before patch was very well timed (too well to be unintentional). Last incident on twitter is clearly showing the naked s****t ... and it smells badly. I am just hoping some internal CCP investigations is already sniffing through mails of these two boys.

To CCP attitude to hit and ignore ... well it is one of the CCPs limits to gain average joe players (not the biggest one though).

Princess Nexxala
Federal Navy Academy
#31 - 2013-01-14 15:10:56 UTC
This thread is win.

Someone teach Hidden Snake how to properly use ellipses.



nom nom

ALUCARD 1208
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-01-14 16:39:53 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
Hidden Snake wrote:


tinfoil hattery and butthurt

.



confirming all gal mil got a personal mail from fozzie 2 weeks before ninja patch saying farm ur ass off and get isk for ships cos im going to give u total warzone control + high fives and the one who gets the most vp for gal mill gets a lapdance at fanfest
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#33 - 2013-01-14 17:04:00 UTC
ground ctrl wrote:


I am confident that the october 22nd patch was not a surprise patch intended to help gallente.



Buzzing around in your Vexor, limiting yourself to minmatar/amarr space of course wont give you any idea about gallente militia.
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#34 - 2013-01-14 17:06:45 UTC
Doddy wrote:
Hidden Snake wrote:
well ... in civilized corporateworld .... if somebody do this .... ie openly supports someone in tender for solution etc. is usually at least fired from the position or company(paralel is not perfect, but close). CCP unfortunately proved it prefers RP factors and opinion of some biased/interested employees. Well in past if this happened it usually ended up on pages of the gaming press. If you building society based games (most of the MMOs) you have to keep strictly neutral (between oposing sides). Something which was violated in past year or two in FW.

At the end everything is matter of CCP accounting .... if actual aproach is increasing the CCPs profit I understand dooming some players is quite ok - in RL I sometimes do similar decissions about our customers.

But what I see is creating another month or two of isk printing isk alts >>> decreasing price of plexes and destabilizing parts of the market. Happy new fiscal year CCP.


No, in civilised corporate world people running a competition tend to congratulate/reward the winners.


And in EVE when you evade my fleet, giving me the victory for ONE HOUR, then come back and gank us without taking much losses, I am not considered the winner, right?
ground ctrl
Goose Swarm Coalition
#35 - 2013-01-14 17:25:08 UTC
Cynthia Nezmor wrote:
ground ctrl wrote:


I am confident that the october 22nd patch was not a surprise patch intended to help gallente.



Buzzing around in your Vexor, limiting yourself to minmatar/amarr space of course wont give you any idea about gallente militia.


Going anywhere in the game in any ship will not tell you what the intentions of the devs are. That whole game versus reality gap gets in the way.

So you think that the timing of the patch was intended to give the gallente an advantage?
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