EVE General Discussion

No avatars are cool, if I wasn't so rubbish at FPS I would play Dust.
You see BF3 was a game I really liked but could never actually play more than 40 minutes at a time, I am having the same struggles again in PS2.

You know I am still butthurt about the ship spinning thing.
That's when I decided screw avatars unless I need it to do something gameplay, like oh hey I want to go do WHs, and here are the skills I need to train, to get that WH isk.
Immersion is not content, and not that really important in the long run.

But think about what could have been done in the last 2 years or so since incarna, if they had stuck with the baby steps.

To me this is THE biggest failure of WiS.

Instead of prototyping what would effectively be the WiS "endgame", they could have been iterating so that today we'd be getting that instead of it being shelved.

THAT'S the trajedy of all this.

NOTHING has gotten done.
We wouldn't be having this discussion today if SOMETHING had been, because more than likely in time they took to prototype we could have both seen stuff we'd enjoy doing.

NOTHING has been done, that's why I'm pissed.

I'd rather what you want to be honest, but ****, SOMETHING is better than nothing.

Funny, I was just about the write something in regard to those of use that like EVE for the "business" side of the game; which is a big part of the game.

You have lots of options in the shooting stuff department, not so many in the kind of "businessperson" you can be.

Owning a "shop" isn't meaningless, and is very much an EVE thing.
Being able to own a bar on a station would not be meaningless content, it would be incredibly meaningful.


PS: And again, EVE isn't ever going to see any significant growth if it only ever tinkers with what's already here without expanding the game. No MMO does, they always end up doing the opposite. CCP isn't any more special than Blizzard, and just like Blizzard if CCP doesn't do NEW things EVE will start to decline.

Even little things that people think of as meaningless have a tendency to be GOOD for a game. Trion didn't invest in developing a housing system for Rift for nothing, even though a lot of people were vocally against housing, even though people think things like housing don't really add to games and are largely unneccesary. They added it because they know that stupid little things like having a house in a game has a tendency to make a difference in how long people stick with the game and whether or not someone will play it over another.

People would come to EVE if you could own your own space bar.
I think it's wrong to think otherwise.

The Forbes articles did a very good job glossing over the fact that EVE reached a subscription milestone, because they reopened the Chinese server. The article was also very well timed, publshed not long after the relase of Retribution.

God dammit, I love this idea so much that already hurts :((

Tbh, I can't even imagine how a bar would look like in EVE.. but I'm sure that there would be massive shootings 24/24. And if weapons would be not allowed in stations, then a beer bootle will have a double purpose. Just imagine James entering into a bar full with miners :)))) I pray to the mighty Lord that CCP will reconsider their attitude, WiS could bring EVE to a completly new level.

But was already prototyped 5-6 years ago. This prototype was presented at fanfest 2008:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_ZjVyRxx4

And searching for "ambulation" on youtube you can find more. As I said, is something in EvE dna since the beginning. The bar/business/office/shop stuff was already in the plans.

Curious, everyone says in these threads they want their own WiS bar.

Nobody ever says they'd like to visit someone else's bar.

I would.

I might prefer to explore a ruined station for valuables, but after a fleet is over and I have had my fill of kills, I would like to sit in a room with comrades and play a game or two of skill with a friendly wager or two.

i would be banned from ever single bar for getting into fights and breaking everything

Eh, the basic idea of WiS has always been extremely lacking in the creativity department, both in practical terms of relative scaling to the full game world and just outright being boring as hell in the context of the setting.

Out in space: You are one of the few hundred thousand survivors of a process a couple billion failed attempts in the making from a population of uncountable trillions, raised from insignificant humanity to power so great that even the mighty, star-spanning factions that birthed you through the cost of moons worth of resources cannot command your loyalty in any meaningful way. You are, for all real purposes, no longer human, capable of performing calculations a supercomputer would spontaneously develop sentience just to envy while changing the fate of entire economies light-years away, studying new and previously undiscovered aspects of physics, and coordinating the defenses of an entire fleet, without even putting down your sandwich. You see the world in a new and different way from angles undreamed by mortal man, your barest annoyance or mild offense at a fellow godling can easily wipe out a thousand lesser lives in seconds, and you cannot be killed. Ever. Just set back a bit, and only by other gods or entire world-depleting fleets. You are an economy greater than most nations in yourself, and that's if you're slacking: you literally no longer even comprehend denominations as small as planetary/station currency, a single isk being more than the entire resource consumption of a moderately-large village for years. The greatest fear of every human in the galaxy is that you will one day shake off the last of your illusory connection to humanity and the last of your residual loyalty with it. Many believe you already have. A collection of a few dozen mortals is a dinner club, a collection of a few of your kind is a goddamned interstellar empire that casually cores out entire moons to feed its ever-hungry industrial apparatus.

And you aren't alone.

At the fringes of old humanity, intelligences less individually powerful than your own but more numerous and less rooted in a history of flesh move unpredictably, in craft of a design even an egger's mind finds incomprehensible. No one really knows the drones' purpose, or even if they have one, but what is known is that they are new, and alien, and even more dangerous than the Eggers themselves.

From the rot of an ancient, crumbling empire has risen a race of the eternal undead, fused to their technology in a pitiful mockery of your own transcendence, but united in a hive-mind and driven with the need to acquire more bodies, more resources. You don't really care about the bodies, of course, the fate of mortals is beneath your notice unless they're specifically brought to your attention, but those resources are _yours_, and the Sansha can bugger off with their knock-off Lovecraftian proto-godhood. Go hard or go home, is what you say.

Perhaps the scariest thing that humanity, god and mortal alike, have come to realize is that they are not the first attempt to reach the stars. Branches of your parent people ancient beyond reckoning moved beyond the constraints of physical reality itself, forging their own spaces with strange stars, connected by machines capable of casually breaching the gulf between dimensions and galaxies... while running on the equivalent of sleep mode on a run-down battery. Even the pitiful remains of these ancients are some of the harshest foes and greatest treasures an Egger can encounter... so why are they gone? And does it have anything to do with the strange compatibility of their lost technology with the Capsuleer process?

Now, contrast this with what we've been told about what would be available in-station:

You can walk around! As a normal person! No, not a normal person surrounded by amazing technology interfaced to your superior mind through implants, not a normal person with an amazing sensory experiences reflecting how you view reality in new and unique ways. A guy. In a jumpsuit.

Oh, and you can accessorize by grabbing new shades. Because you care about what random mortals think about your appearance. Definitely totally reasonable that a being that usually visualizes himself with blaster cannon and a bridge would find it worthwhile to make sure his socks match his cravat. Totally.

You can own a bar or hawk your wares on the side of the road! Because CEOs of interstellar-scale trading operations that routinely move _spaceship parts_ in quantities of thousands totally would do that all the time!

You can meet your enemies face to face! Which you already do, all the time, because you're a goddamned cyborg and your ship is for all real purposes your body, your voice your comms unit, etc. But now you can do it while completely helpless and disconnected from your true form, and deprived of most of your senses and all of your weapons! C'mon, it's a big improvement.

... not really a surprise that the idea has been met with less than full enthusiasm. C'mon, guys, your game setting is a parable about the dangers of transhumanism, throw us a bone and give us something we couldn't get more efficiently by turning off the computer and going to the mall.