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Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#101 - 2011-10-24 22:56:46 UTC
almost pulled it off without an issue. Nice work OP :D

ITT; Mad Goons fighting mad miners

The pie is a tautology
Captain BlueBeard
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2011-10-24 22:58:14 UTC
History has shown e CCP may very well nerf GSF current antics. They did it wil MOO and the gate ganking and they did it with The Privateers and their war deccing everything that moved. The question becomes are enough people being negatively effected and/or was this game mechanic intentional. I think suicide attacking was never meant to be broadly deployed as a grief tactic. GSF needs to be sure to present this as an extortion plot. Charging miners 250m to mine was a smart move as it offers up a motive other than just griefing.

The thing that kinda surprises me is that GSF has escalated the activity. To fly under the nerf-dar they should have kept it to a few days a month. ... Or one belt a day... Or whatever would not escalate this to game breaking (see Privateers) issue.

I guess we will see what happens. At this rate of escalation my money is on the nerf bat.
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#103 - 2011-10-24 23:09:56 UTC
Captain BlueBeard wrote:
The thing that kinda surprises me is that GSF has escalated the activity. To fly under the nerf-dar they should have kept it to a few days a month. ... Or one belt a day... Or whatever would not escalate this to game breaking (see Privateers) issue.

Explain how what we are doing in Gallente ice belts is breaking the game.
Paragon Renegade
Sebiestor Tribe
#104 - 2011-10-24 23:11:13 UTC
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
Captain BlueBeard wrote:
The thing that kinda surprises me is that GSF has escalated the activity. To fly under the nerf-dar they should have kept it to a few days a month. ... Or one belt a day... Or whatever would not escalate this to game breaking (see Privateers) issue.

Explain how what we are doing in Gallente ice belts is breaking the game.


They're just mad they can't be safe 100% of the time without any forethought.

The pie is a tautology
Cidwm
Doomheim
#105 - 2011-10-24 23:17:56 UTC
anything that means you have to pay a goon, means its most likely a scam... its also encourages them to continue what there doing since they think there gonna get payed for it : / anyone that uses that service should really look at what the goons like to do to people on a regular basis
Captain BlueBeard
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2011-10-24 23:31:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain BlueBeard
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
Captain BlueBeard wrote:
The thing that kinda surprises me is that GSF has escalated the activity. To fly under the nerf-dar they should have kept it to a few days a month. ... Or one belt a day... Or whatever would not escalate this to game breaking (see Privateers) issue.

Explain how what we are doing in Gallente ice belts is breaking the game.


Then same way MOO and The Privateers were breaking the game.

Or were they?

Keep in mind I could easily argue the MOO and The Privateers were NOT breaking the game. They were playing within the rules and having tons of fun. Sound familiar? That is what they were arguing.

It all boils down to grief levels. NOT whether or not you are griefing, no no, but to what level you are doing so. History has shown that there is a line that once crossed you get nerfed.. The Privateers had a better case than the GSF in my opinion, and they still got nerf whacked. MOO, not so much.

On edit- Here is another hint: If you start griefing new and/or casual players in high sec en masse, you migh get the nerf bat. (best when read like Jeff Foxworthy reads his 'you might be a redneck' jokes).
Tanya Fox
Doomheim
#107 - 2011-10-24 23:31:42 UTC
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
Captain BlueBeard wrote:
The thing that kinda surprises me is that GSF has escalated the activity. To fly under the nerf-dar they should have kept it to a few days a month. ... Or one belt a day... Or whatever would not escalate this to game breaking (see Privateers) issue.

Explain how what we are doing in Gallente ice belts is breaking the game.




So this extortion racket you are running, it's a one off payment of 250 mil isk? Which is also a kind of protection racket, protected from the Goons. So over what period of time does this 250 mil allow someone to mine ice and also gives them protection from the Goons (i.e. you)?
Will Strafe
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#108 - 2011-10-24 23:37:14 UTC
Unexpected wrote:
We are NOT podding every miner! Some of them get away... And I'm not quite sure why you're so upset - I don't think you've lost a single ship yet. Though if I were you, I'd probably put some guns on


your POS at planet 1, moon 3 in Hentogaira



You never know when you get war-decced...


The Holy Bible asks: What does it gain a man, to win the world if he loses his soul.

And then you come along, and lose your soul for some pixels in a game. I bet you will be the dumbest guy in hell one day.
Tanya Fox
Doomheim
#109 - 2011-10-24 23:39:09 UTC
Will Strafe wrote:
Unexpected wrote:
We are NOT podding every miner! Some of them get away... And I'm not quite sure why you're so upset - I don't think you've lost a single ship yet. Though if I were you, I'd probably put some guns on


your POS at planet 1, moon 3 in Hentogaira



You never know when you get war-decced...


The Holy Bible asks: What does it gain a man, to win the world if he loses his soul.

And then you come along, and lose your soul for some pixels in a game. I bet you will be the dumbest guy in hell one day.



You're talking to the wrong people the Goons don't have a soul.
Captain BlueBeard
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2011-10-24 23:45:32 UTC
Paragon Renegade wrote:
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
Captain BlueBeard wrote:
The thing that kinda surprises me is that GSF has escalated the activity. To fly under the nerf-dar they should have kept it to a few days a month. ... Or one belt a day... Or whatever would not escalate this to game breaking (see Privateers) issue.

Explain how what we are doing in Gallente ice belts is breaking the game.


They're just mad they can't be safe 100% of the time without any forethought.



The flaw in your logic is based on the percentage you present. Let me fix it for you..."They are upset because they are only safe 10% of the time mining blue ice in high-sec."

I pulled the 10% figure out of my ass, but insert any number under, what, 90%?, and you have the issue at hand.

I am trying to stay neutral and approach this as a historian, I don't mine blue Ice what-so-ever. I find it fascinating how CCP has dealt with this sort of thing in the past; and what led up to the changes.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#111 - 2011-10-25 00:06:57 UTC
It is really sad that so many people are desperate for attention and to feel significant. Blink

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Tanya Fox
Doomheim
#112 - 2011-10-25 00:22:02 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
It is really sad that so many people are desperate for attention and to feel significant. Blink





You look at the oceans and see how much life is lost there each day and you will realise how insignificant the human race really is.
EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#113 - 2011-10-25 00:31:52 UTC
Tanya Fox wrote:
Will Strafe wrote:
Unexpected wrote:
We are NOT podding every miner! Some of them get away... And I'm not quite sure why you're so upset - I don't think you've lost a single ship yet. Though if I were you, I'd probably put some guns on


your POS at planet 1, moon 3 in Hentogaira



You never know when you get war-decced...


The Holy Bible asks: What does it gain a man, to win the world if he loses his soul.

And then you come along, and lose your soul for some pixels in a game. I bet you will be the dumbest guy in hell one day.



You're talking to the wrong people the Goons don't have a soul.


Hey now, we're not all ginger.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#114 - 2011-10-25 00:34:59 UTC
Tanya Fox wrote:

You look at the oceans and see how much life is lost there each day and you will realise how insignificant the human race really is.


Quantity cheapens quality. Just too many of us. Time of revolutions, the great philosophers and the poets (musicians) is over.

"Don't worry little darlings. You are unique, just like everyone else."

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#115 - 2011-10-25 00:44:06 UTC  |  Edited by: 1-Up Mushroom
I will start this out by saying I'm not totally against Goonswarm ganking ice miner's but I seriously think they've taken it too far. I mean having to pay to ice mine? I mean lets say they started patrolling all/most mission hubs and ganked anyone that tried to mission, and you have to pay an in-game corporation to mission?!

Goonswarm has taken this too far, CCP put mining in for a reason, it was created by them. When in-game entity tries to control a section of a game making in nearly unavaliable for outside entitys CCP really needs to step in and take control of this, I mean all the noob miners that are just starting out in their Mack's and then get blown up the next day probably aren't too thrilled. Sure there are corps that Ice Mine in null but that's hardly accessable for noob players who can barely fly a Mack and probably won't have a chance of tanking the rats in there.

When some people are paying RL money do to something in a game and then that get's cut off it's (almost, almost) stealing of a minor sort. CCP really needs to start stepping in soon if this escalates further

Just my two cents

P.S. I don't mine, and I don't even mission that much
P.S.S. maybe I'm over-exaggerating the situation but if it ever gets to the point where you can't ice mine anywhere in high-sec then it's too far and time for CCP to step in
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EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#116 - 2011-10-25 00:53:02 UTC
1-Up Mushroom wrote:
I will start this out by saying I'm not totally against Goonswarm ganking ice miner's but I seriously think they've taken it too far. I mean having to pay to ice mine? I mean lets say they started patrolling all/most mission hubs and ganked anyone that tried to mission, and you have to pay an in-game corporation to mission?!

Goonswarm has taken this too far, CCP put mining in for a reason, it was created by them. When in-game entity tries to control a section of a game making in nearly unavaliable for outside entitys CCP really needs to step in and take control of this, I mean all the noob miners that are just starting out in their Mack's and then get blown up the next day probably aren't too thrilled. Sure there are corps that Ice Mine in null but that's hardly accessable for noob players who can barely fly a Mack and probably won't have a chance of tanking the rats in there.

When some people are paying RL money do to something in a game and then that get's cut off it's (almost, almost) stealing of a minor sort. CCP really needs to start stepping in soon if this escalates further

Just my two cents

P.S. I don't mine, and I don't even mission that much
P.S.S. maybe I'm over-exaggerating the situation but if it ever gets to the point where you can't ice mine anywhere in high-sec then it's too far and time for CCP to step in


So go mine in low/null or mine a different type of ice?

We're just interdicting the poor, poor Blue Ice belts in Gallente space. There's plenty other places to mine.
Tanya Fox
Doomheim
#117 - 2011-10-25 00:53:14 UTC
EnderCapitalG wrote:
Tanya Fox wrote:
Will Strafe wrote:
Unexpected wrote:
We are NOT podding every miner! Some of them get away... And I'm not quite sure why you're so upset - I don't think you've lost a single ship yet. Though if I were you, I'd probably put some guns on


your POS at planet 1, moon 3 in Hentogaira



You never know when you get war-decced...


The Holy Bible asks: What does it gain a man, to win the world if he loses his soul.

And then you come along, and lose your soul for some pixels in a game. I bet you will be the dumbest guy in hell one day.



You're talking to the wrong people the Goons don't have a soul.


Hey now, we're not all ginger.



Glad to hear it, hope for some of you afterall.
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#118 - 2011-10-25 00:55:57 UTC
Will Strafe wrote:
The Holy Bible asks: What does it gain a man, to win the world if he loses his soul.

And then you come along, and lose your soul for some pixels in a game. I bet you will be the dumbest guy in hell one day.

Confirming that people should be banished to hell because of how they play a video game.
Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#119 - 2011-10-25 00:57:23 UTC
1-Up Mushroom wrote:
CCP put mining in for a reason, it was created by them.

I didn't realize we had shut down all mining in the game. Wow we're awesome.
Tanya Fox
Doomheim
#120 - 2011-10-25 01:04:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Fox
1-Up Mushroom wrote:
I will start this out by saying I'm not totally against Goonswarm ganking ice miner's but I seriously think they've taken it too far. I mean having to pay to ice mine? I mean lets say they started patrolling all/most mission hubs and ganked anyone that tried to mission, and you have to pay an in-game corporation to mission?!

Goonswarm has taken this too far, CCP put mining in for a reason, it was created by them. When in-game entity tries to control a section of a game making in nearly unavaliable for outside entitys CCP really needs to step in and take control of this, I mean all the noob miners that are just starting out in their Mack's and then get blown up the next day probably aren't too thrilled. Sure there are corps that Ice Mine in null but that's hardly accessable for noob players who can barely fly a Mack and probably won't have a chance of tanking the rats in there.

When some people are paying RL money do to something in a game and then that get's cut off it's (almost, almost) stealing of a minor sort. CCP really needs to start stepping in soon if this escalates further

Just my two cents

P.S. I don't mine, and I don't even mission that much
P.S.S. maybe I'm over-exaggerating the situation but if it ever gets to the point where you can't ice mine anywhere in high-sec then it's too far and time for CCP to step in




Look on the bright side while they're poncing around with the ice fields it leaves them more vulnerable in 0.0, All it needs is some large alliances to get togehter to sort them out. Then they'll have to abandon the ice fields to defend their territory.

Might actually turn out to be a good thing in the long run. Or is that just wishful thinking?