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how much isk can i expect to lose learning to pvp well and fc on my own in a new start up corp.
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Stonecrusher Mortlock
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-01-14 01:09:29 UTC
how much isk can i expect to lose learning to pvp well and fc on my own in a new start up corp?

I'm partly planning to foot the bill with plexs but I need to know what to expect.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2013-01-14 01:12:03 UTC
The trainer rifter used by our organisation is worth less than the ammo used to kill it.
Klown Walk
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-01-14 01:17:03 UTC
5-10m for each ship if you want to use a decently fit t1 frigate or destroyer
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#4 - 2013-01-14 01:21:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Sura Sadiva
Stonecrusher Mortlock wrote:
how much isk can i expect to lose learning to pvp well and fc on my own in a new start up corp?

I'm partly planning to foot the bill with plexs but I need to know what to expect.


If you go for FW the FW ame mechanics also give to you the chance to "generouly" support your own loss and can do it at the same time simply in T1 frigates or destroyers; while you roaming searching for a fight you do FW plexes and at the end of the day hardly the balance is negative. So not a big issue.



Anyway if you go for T1 frigates based on meta/T1 modules I'd say 3-5 mil each one. For a T1 with T2/meta4 around 10
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-01-14 01:22:51 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
The trainer rifter used by our organisation is worth less than the ammo used to kill it.


I phased Rifters out last summer bro

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2013-01-14 01:25:46 UTC
Andski wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The trainer rifter used by our organisation is worth less than the ammo used to kill it.


I phased Rifters out last summer bro


There are hundreds of them still left overStraight
GreenSeed
#7 - 2013-01-14 01:43:54 UTC  |  Edited by: GreenSeed
if you corp really wants to learn, and start getting used to keeping corp discipline while under wardecs, small gang warfare, recovering from having half your fleet blown to bits without losing the other half, etc, etc... then have your corp join the militia. 2 weeks flying around as a small group in militia space will teach you more than 2 years getting popped at the gate in amamake.


if you plan on plexing it, one plex can supply a 10 man corp with enough ships to last one month in FW, so long as you fly as a fleet always and on frigs/dessies. and by the end of that month you fill find that not only you repaid the plex you invested, but you have another 2 plex in corp tax profits from bounties/LP donations/ the odd FW mission, that's without taking into account the individual profits of each member. (in case they want to share some love)
Catalyst XI
Catalytic Holdings
#8 - 2013-01-14 01:53:03 UTC
Join RvB,
Fly **** fit t1 frigs worth >1m
Take 50man blobs out on day 1
learn to FC by doing (aka whelping, A LOT)
it wont cost you much at all, since FCs tend to die last in rvb

*waits for ~not the real deal~ comments*

-CXI
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#9 - 2013-01-14 02:07:31 UTC
Stonecrusher Mortlock wrote:
how much isk can i expect to lose learning to pvp well and fc on my own in a new start up corp?


All of it.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-01-14 02:12:32 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
There are hundreds of them still left overStraight


because I don't have an alt to melt them with

Twitter: @EVEAndski

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bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#11 - 2013-01-14 03:07:17 UTC
You can control the majority of your losses easily. Dont fly what you cannot afford. Only unsuspecting ganks, which are rare on an individual basis, is out of your control.
loki energon
Anasazi Wanderratter's Social Club
#12 - 2013-01-14 03:50:57 UTC
all of it.

kill em all.
DrunkenNinja
Macabre Votum
Northern Coalition.
#13 - 2013-01-14 04:40:26 UTC
Andski wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The trainer rifter used by our organisation is worth less than the ammo used to kill it.


I phased Rifters out last summer bro


No one cares.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-01-14 04:41:38 UTC
DrunkenNinja wrote:
Andski wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The trainer rifter used by our organisation is worth less than the ammo used to kill it.


I phased Rifters out last summer bro


No one cares.

No one cares.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#15 - 2013-01-14 04:46:10 UTC
It's all about the gank.

Don't worry too much about ship, fit or SP.

If you can beat their buffer, it's just a matter of time.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#16 - 2013-01-14 05:46:08 UTC
You will never learn to be a great PVPer on your own.

I try to explain it to people this way. (Caps for emphasis).

THERE IS ALMOST 10 YEARS OF TACTICS AND SKILLS AND COMBAT DEVELOPMENT BEHIND YOU.

I don't care how good you are at games. You are NOT going to walk into EVE and learn to be competitive without someone there to help you learn certain things faster.

You are talking about a 10 year learning curve to overcome. If you think you can do without this experience from other people, that's just arrogant.

Where I am.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-01-14 06:19:42 UTC
DrunkenNinja wrote:
Andski wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The trainer rifter used by our organisation is worth less than the ammo used to kill it.


I phased Rifters out last summer bro


No one cares.


okay tell me all about what you do for newbies

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-01-14 06:26:42 UTC
anyway OP you simply won't figure FCing out on your own without guidance, nobody does

you can read every guide under the sun and you're just going to hate it, best I can tell you is to join a smaller but fairly open corp that does PvP. fly under other FCs and try your hand at it once in a while, but if you're going to start a corp on your own /and/ try your hand at FCing without prior experience you will hate it and probably burn out

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
pussnheels
Viziam
#19 - 2013-01-14 07:27:58 UTC
Stonecrusher Mortlock wrote:
how much isk can i expect to lose learning to pvp well and fc on my own in a new start up corp?

I'm partly planning to foot the bill with plexs but I need to know what to expect.

can you fly a rifter ,
can you use a point and a web
if so you can fly with the ' big boys'

a good corp will care for its members and make sure their losses can be replaced free or pretty cheap
besides a good pvp ship doesn't have to be t2 or pimped up with officers fits

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-01-14 08:30:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
T1 Frigs are around 10 -15m with a T2 Fit
Brawling kind
Kestrel (Rocket)
Merlin (Blaster)
Tristan (Drone)
Slasher (AC)

Kiting kind
Condor (Light Missile)
Kestrel (Light Missile)



Destroyers are around 20m with a T2 Fit
Brawling and/or kiting kind
Algos (Drone)
Dragoon (Drone)

Kiting kind
Talwar (Light Missile)



Cruiser are around 40m with a T2 Fit
Brawling kind
Vexor (Drone)
Rupture (AC)
Thorax (Blaster)
Moa (Blaster)

Kiting kind
Caracal (Rapid Light Missile)
Omen (Laser)

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar
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